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Re: Show HN: Erin – Open-source and self-hosted TikTok feed for your own videos

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When I was 16, nearly all the media I consumed was vetted/regulated by the FCC.

Really? I'm a millennial and most of the content I consumed came from * Initially various Warez sources (KDX , eMule etc) (2000-2005 I think) * later on liveleak, 4chan, digger (2006-2007? Not sure anymore), * Then stumble upon, 9gag (08-10) * finally ending at reddit (2010-2014, that was the year spez edited user comments. Very rarely used it since) I vividly remember watching pretty fucked up shit back then, like r…

this difference is that none of that was mainstream, less than one percent of my high school ever read 4chan or even knew what it was. almost literally every kid today has a smart phone, the vast majority of them are on youtube, and an absolute ton of them are on tiktok.

when older millennials were young, it was mostly television, movies, maybe some radio, and maybe some CDs/tapes. and as the previous person said, this was all extremely moderated and you didn't have unlimited access to most anything

Re: Show HN: Erin – Open-source and self-hosted TikTok feed for your own videos

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post #25

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Really? I'm a millennial and most of the content I consumed came from * Initially various Warez sources (KDX , eMule etc) (2000-2005 I think) * later on liveleak, 4chan, digger (2006-2007? Not sure anymore), * Then stumble upon, 9gag (08-10) * finally ending at reddit (2010-2014, that was the year spez edited user comments. Very rarely used it since) I vividly remember watching pretty fucked up shit back then, like r…

However, none of that was fed to you by algorithms, but rather your own curiosity for weird stuff and your ability to find it. I am not saying that it is good or bad, but in my book, it is different from infinite algorithmic feeds we currently have.

Yeah, but OP was talking about vetting and policing content. I fully agree that addictive algorithms are bad though.

Re: Show HN: Erin – Open-source and self-hosted TikTok feed for your own videos

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post #41
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I'm a millennial and most of the content I consumed came from * Initially various Warez sources (KDX , eMule etc) (2000-2005 I think) * later on liveleak, 4chan, digger (2006-2007? Not sure anymore), * Then stumble upon, 9gag (08-10) * finally ending at reddit (2010-2014, that was the year spez edited user comments. Very rarely used it since) I vividly remember watching pretty fucked up shit back then, like r…

this difference is that none of that was mainstream, less than one percent of my high school ever read 4chan or even knew what it was. almost literally every kid today has a smart phone, the vast majority of them are on youtube, and an absolute ton of them are on tiktok. when older millennials were young, it was mostly television, movies, maybe some radio, and maybe some CDs/tapes. and as the previous person said, th…

People in my school were constantly pranking each other with this type of content, so everyone even people who weren't seeking it out, were exposed to that. I assume everyone knew what 2 girls 1 cup is, and if you ask around my age right now, most people will know it from around secondary school. And at least most guys knew about the pain olympics.

Not really executions though, luckily.

Re: Show HN: Erin – Open-source and self-hosted TikTok feed for your own videos

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Slight tangent, but it's my intuition that some version of this is the end game for media. Completely compelling, AI created, individually attuned videos generated in or near real time that appeal so well to the individual (adult) viewer they overwhelm our learned resistance. Infinite Jest, but rather than dying laughing you orient your entire life around engaging with the content.

if we can fit that power into a box that can fly with me to alpha centauri, i think we'll be ok once we figure out feeding and waste management, entertainment over a low-bandwidth link will be tricky

Picture a two curves of technical progress. One is the process toward creating a 'hot' media stimuli so addicting that it shifts your utility function. The other is the route to interstellar travel. Now imagine the relative resources that are being expended to push technology along each curve.

Re: Show HN: Erin – Open-source and self-hosted TikTok feed for your own videos

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post #44

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if we can fit that power into a box that can fly with me to alpha centauri, i think we'll be ok once we figure out feeding and waste management, entertainment over a low-bandwidth link will be tricky

Picture a two curves of technical progress. One is the process toward creating a 'hot' media stimuli so addicting that it shifts your utility function. The other is the route to interstellar travel. Now imagine the relative resources that are being expended to push technology along each curve.

an intersection of the two curves must exist, at some point

when two roads diverge in a yellowed wood, blaze down the middle

Re: Show HN: Erin – Open-source and self-hosted TikTok feed for your own videos

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post #31
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This is great for creating a media-garden for your children! Kid content on YouTube and TikTok can be extremly disturbing, even for an adult. Until they turn 16 I intend to vet most media myself on a self-hosted server.

My parents never restricted me access, but talked with me openly about movies, games, or websites they saw me using/playing when they came to my room. I didn't take any precautions, or fear their reactions... because they were open about things with me. Some discussions went pretty deep, others not really. Moreover, they usually would spend time with us late evening watching interesting stuff. Given how open they wer…

I definitely like this approach, but a big problem is how social media captivates your attention, gets you addicted, and then you’re watching whatever the algorithm wants.

At that point, it gets very, very hard to have a meaningful conversation about what the algorithm chooses to show you.

So I’m not so sure any more. It’s clearly not healthy for kids to be addicted to social media, and how do you avoid that except by restricting use of those apps?

Re: Show HN: Erin – Open-source and self-hosted TikTok feed for your own videos

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post #6

This is great for creating a media-garden for your children! Kid content on YouTube and TikTok can be extremly disturbing, even for an adult. Until they turn 16 I intend to vet most media myself on a self-hosted server.

16 is so old to be doing that still. If I were your teenager I would have hated that and would have been extremely embarrassed if my friends ever found out.

Re: Show HN: Erin – Open-source and self-hosted TikTok feed for your own videos

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Would you consider that good? I grew up with the Internet and people sharing shock horror sites with some very questionable content. It seems we all mostly still grew up fine.

There's a difference between accidentally stumbling on shocking TikTok content and willingly browsing a gore site. If my kid really wants to check it, it might be acceptable, but I'm not ok with an algorithm showing it by surprise.

Thats basically how it worked back then too. Instead of an algorithm showing you this stuff by surprise it was your buddy in the computer lab saying “hey check this out.”

Re: Show HN: Erin – Open-source and self-hosted TikTok feed for your own videos

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post #31
post #6

This is great for creating a media-garden for your children! Kid content on YouTube and TikTok can be extremly disturbing, even for an adult. Until they turn 16 I intend to vet most media myself on a self-hosted server.

My parents never restricted me access, but talked with me openly about movies, games, or websites they saw me using/playing when they came to my room. I didn't take any precautions, or fear their reactions... because they were open about things with me. Some discussions went pretty deep, others not really. Moreover, they usually would spend time with us late evening watching interesting stuff. Given how open they wer…

How long ago was this? Modern apps are different from the websites of the past. They are designed to addict and driven by attention-steered algorithms, not curated by humans. It's a vastly different exposure and requires rethinking.
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