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Show HN: Interactive map of the convenience store "turf war" in Japan

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Re: Show HN: Interactive map of the convenience store "turf war" in Japan

#41

Why do you write 'conbini' instead of 'konbini' in the usual romanization form? For the todōfuken I would leave out the suffixes (mostly 'ken') in the English labels, except for Hokkaidō obviously.

'Conbini' is a loan word from English meaning 'convenience store.' Please forgive the originators of the word for spelling it so they can understand as Convenience starts with the letter 'c.'

Re: Show HN: Interactive map of the convenience store "turf war" in Japan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that struck me when visiting Tokyo (as an American living in San Francisco), was that it was not uncommon to go to a restaurant or bar on, say the 3rd or 4th floor of a building. In America and Europe, restaurants and shops are basically all zoned to be on the ground floor, with residential or office units above. This gives the density a different feeling, because commercial/dining space extends upward.

ADA law in the US financially prohibit this. Once you need an elevator, the costs go though the roof for the building. Elevator design, installation, inspection and repair are incredibly expensive and eat up a lot of square footage on every floor.

Have you been to Japan? Elevators are quite common, and in most of the buildings with multiple levels and restaurants on higher levels.

Elevators are smaller there. But I think the cost of building is lower there, for a variety of reasons, which makes this more feasible.

Re: Show HN: Interactive map of the convenience store "turf war" in Japan

#43
> I noticed that my neighborhood is all Lawsons

There's a Lawson-heavy area about a twenty-minute walk from where I live in Yokohama. The three convenience stores closest to me, though, are 7-11. One reason for this clustering, I suspect, is deliveries. Convenience stores are carefully designed for logistical efficiency, and having stores close to each other must shave a bit off the distance traveled by delivery trucks.

You might consider adding Aeon My Basket stores to your map, too. They have sprouted up all over the Tokyo region in recent years. They are positioned as small supermarkets rather than kombini, but their size, locations, and product overlap with kombini puts them in competition with Lawson, 7-11, etc., too.

Re: Show HN: Interactive map of the convenience store "turf war" in Japan

#45
post #29
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that struck me when visiting Tokyo (as an American living in San Francisco), was that it was not uncommon to go to a restaurant or bar on, say the 3rd or 4th floor of a building. In America and Europe, restaurants and shops are basically all zoned to be on the ground floor, with residential or office units above. This gives the density a different feeling, because commercial/dining space extends upward.

In the US, Chicago is also like this. I've been to a "shopping mall" that had ten stores but was spread among four floors. Makes it hard to believe Americans when they claim their city is "very dense" when it is mostly single story buildings surrounded by parking lots.

In the US, Chicago is also like this. I've been to a "shopping mall" that had ten stores but was spread among four floors.

Chicago used to have a number of "vertical malls." I think Water Tower Place (7 floors) and The Shops at 900 (7 or 8 floors, IIRC) are the only ones left. Unless you also count smaller places like Block 37 (4 floors).

Some are now shadows of their former selves. Some sit empty (Chicago Place), or in various stages of redevelopment.

Re: Show HN: Interactive map of the convenience store "turf war" in Japan

#47
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On my recent first trip to Japan, I couldn't believe the number and quality of 7-Elevens/Family Marts/Lawsons. You're never more than a five-minute walk from one in Tokyo, and they've got good stuff.

I visited Tokyo a few months back, and while the convenience stores seemed nicer than equivalents in America, I also wasn't particularly impressed. I think if I had just encountered them I'd be impressed, but the internet has hyped up the convenience stores of Japan so much I thought they'd blow me away. They're nice, they're good, but not amazing.

I concur. I’ve been to Japan 11 times in the past 15 years, including an eight-month stay in 2010. Japanese convenience stores are nice, and they’re certainly nicer than their American counterparts, but when it comes to food, whether pre-packaged or prepared, I’ve found better deals for food at grocery stores. Granted, konbini prices are reasonable, and it’s hard to find grocery stores in central Tokyo locations like Shibuya, Shinjuku, and Akihabara; a konbini is much easier to find, and you can’t beat the 24/7 schedules of konbini compared to the restricted hours of grocery stores. However, in the residential parts of Tokyo there’s usually at least one grocery store near a train station.

I must say, though, that the Family Mart konbini near the hotel I stayed at two months ago was amazing for being able to order off Amazon Japan and picking up deliveries there. This is something I wish I discovered many trips ago.

In general, though, I concur with your assessment; konbini in Japan are nice but they’re not mind-blowing.

Re: Show HN: Interactive map of the convenience store "turf war" in Japan

#48
post #43

> I noticed that my neighborhood is all Lawsons There's a Lawson-heavy area about a twenty-minute walk from where I live in Yokohama. The three convenience stores closest to me, though, are 7-11. One reason for this clustering, I suspect, is deliveries. Convenience stores are carefully designed for logistical efficiency, and having stores close to each other must shave a bit off the distance traveled by delivery truc…

This brings back memories of life in Kawasaki. I used to live in Kawasaki nearly 15 years ago for eight months, and I still visit regularly, twice a year in fact since the pandemic ended. I was an intern at Fujitsu and lived in a company dorm. Within a two-minute walk from my dormitory was a My Basket, where I did much of my shopping. It didn’t have the largest selection of food, but it carried the essentials and was very close. It was closer to me than the nearest konbini, a Seven Eleven that was three minutes away :).

Seven minutes away was a larger grocery store called Maruetsu, and ten minutes away from my dorm room was Musashi-Nakahara Station, which had a grocery store (I forgot the name) about the same size as Maruetsu. What I loved about these latter two grocery stores was the nice selection of hot foods, especially around lunch time when many workers from Fujitsu and other nearby companies went to buy hot bento. I still remember the ¥300 bento from the grocery store inside the train station. It was tasty and was reasonably filling.

Re: Show HN: Interactive map of the convenience store "turf war" in Japan

#49
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I visited Tokyo a few months back, and while the convenience stores seemed nicer than equivalents in America, I also wasn't particularly impressed. I think if I had just encountered them I'd be impressed, but the internet has hyped up the convenience stores of Japan so much I thought they'd blow me away. They're nice, they're good, but not amazing.

I concur. I’ve been to Japan 11 times in the past 15 years, including an eight-month stay in 2010. Japanese convenience stores are nice, and they’re certainly nicer than their American counterparts, but when it comes to food, whether pre-packaged or prepared, I’ve found better deals for food at grocery stores. Granted, konbini prices are reasonable, and it’s hard to find grocery stores in central Tokyo locations like…

The deep fried chicken cutlet from 7-11 for $1 is everything I want in a retail establishment
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