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Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Post by ethangk »

vzaliva wrote: post #34

Trusting something as private as my personal diary to 3rd party sounds like a scary idea from a privacy point of view. Imagine someone hacking this site, exposing your very private information. I wish there was something like that end-to-end encrypted. You are already using E2E encryption for the communication channel (WhatsApp). I wish there was a hookup to store the same data without breaking down the chain of encr…

I think Day One probably fits the bill for you there. E2E encrypted. I’ve been using it for about a decade

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Post by meiraleal »

jusepal wrote: post #27
ylk wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> whatsapp E2EE is a joke Could you please elaborate why (in detail)?

My guess is since its closed source, no one beside them can verify that the supposedly e2e is even true, or exist in current latest binary. Sort of telling everyone that I've got a mountain of gold inside my house but the door is locked, no one beside me could verify my claim. Security and/or privacy via obscurity is moot.

They also handle and store users backup unencrypted by default so they have access to all messages in plaintext in multiple opportunities.

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Post by kstrauser »

rahulg wrote: post #20
heythere22 wrote: post #7

The page says "14-day Free trial. No Credit Card Required." but there is no mention of any pricing page. What happens once the trial is over? Does the boy just stop sending messages?

It's mentioned right below "14-day Free Trial" but I need to make it more obvious. "You can try THB out for 14 days for absolutely free. At the end of the trial period, you can choose between our monthly ($5 per month) or annual ($48 per year) subscription plans." I have also added it in the bot before you subscribe to the free trial. Thanks for the feedback.

Pricing feedback: That's $13/yr more than the full-blown Day One premium service.

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Post by dotancohen »

egeozcan wrote: post #32
dotancohen wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possibly reinforcement learning, to determine how to phrase a comment such that human users will not recognize it as AI.

I prompted chatgpt to make it more human and casual: huge props on launching! Seriously love how you’ve brought back the whole Ohlife vibe but made it way easier with WhatsApp. No apps or sign-ups? Genius. Plus, those daily reminders and little throwbacks? Such a nice touch—perfect for sparking some good ol’ nostalgia. You can totally see how much you care about this, and I’m hyped to see how people, especially the O…

  > I prompted chatgpt to make it more human and casual
I'd love to see your prompts, if you don't mind. My Gmail username is the same as my HN username if you prefer to not post them here.

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Post by BoppreH »

Did you get Meta or a lawyer to clear your usage, especially after you introduce monthly subscriptions, against the WhatsApp Business Policy?

I looked into it previously, and it seemed to imply software services were not welcome. From the WhatsApp Business Policy[1] (emphasis mine):

> 4. Prohibited Organizations and Restrictions on Use

> ...

> If you use Catalogs, or provide any other commerce experiences to sell or otherwise facilitate the exchange of goods or services prohibited by the Meta Commerce Policy, then we may prohibit you from using some or all of the WhatsApp Business Services.

And the Meta Commerce Policy[2] says

> Prohibited Content

> 16. No item for Sale: Listings may not promote news, humor, or other content that does not offer any product for sale.

> 19. Services: Services may not be listed.

> 22. Subscriptions and Digital Products: Listings may not promote the buying or selling of downloadable digital content, digital subscriptions, and digital accounts.

It was unclear to me whether this applies only to marketplace-like platforms, or any service or product that you provide yourself. A tenuous ground to build a company on.

[1] https://business.whatsapp.com/policy

[2] https://www.facebook.com/policies_center/commerce

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Post by sutra_on »

vzaliva wrote: post #34

Trusting something as private as my personal diary to 3rd party sounds like a scary idea from a privacy point of view. Imagine someone hacking this site, exposing your very private information. I wish there was something like that end-to-end encrypted. You are already using E2E encryption for the communication channel (WhatsApp). I wish there was a hookup to store the same data without breaking down the chain of encr…

I am not sure if this fits your usecase - but why not just to use encrypted Notes on a Mac or iPhone (if you have an Apple device), and set a daily reminder? What does WhatsApp have that Notes doesn't?

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Post by ylk »

jusepal wrote: post #27
ylk wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> whatsapp E2EE is a joke Could you please elaborate why (in detail)?

My guess is since its closed source, no one beside them can verify that the supposedly e2e is even true, or exist in current latest binary. Sort of telling everyone that I've got a mountain of gold inside my house but the door is locked, no one beside me could verify my claim. Security and/or privacy via obscurity is moot.

You can always go ahead and decompile the apps and then show everyone that they’re in fact lying, that story would be huge. That alone doesn’t make it true, but there have so far not been hints of them pulling weird stuff with their e2ee, unlike telegram, for example. They’re even working on improving the default mode 99% of users use e2ee chat apps with - trust on first use (TOFU): https://engineering.fb.com/2023/04/13/security/whatsapp-key-...

They probably do all kinds of horrible stuff with the metadata. I’m honestly too lazy to read the privacy policy. But I have yet to see critique of their e2ee that’s actually backed up by substance instead of people’s imaginations.

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Post by ylk »

meiraleal wrote: post #43
jusepal wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is since its closed source, no one beside them can verify that the supposedly e2e is even true, or exist in current latest binary. Sort of telling everyone that I've got a mountain of gold inside my house but the door is locked, no one beside me could verify my claim. Security and/or privacy via obscurity is moot.

They also handle and store users backup unencrypted by default so they have access to all messages in plaintext in multiple opportunities.

Meta has access to the backups that are stored on each individual’s Google Drive/iCloud? How does that work exactly? Please elaborate.

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Post by jusepal »

ylk wrote: post #48
jusepal wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is since its closed source, no one beside them can verify that the supposedly e2e is even true, or exist in current latest binary. Sort of telling everyone that I've got a mountain of gold inside my house but the door is locked, no one beside me could verify my claim. Security and/or privacy via obscurity is moot.

You can always go ahead and decompile the apps and then show everyone that they’re in fact lying, that story would be huge. That alone doesn’t make it true, but there have so far not been hints of them pulling weird stuff with their e2ee, unlike telegram, for example. They’re even working on improving the default mode 99% of users use e2ee chat apps with - trust on first use (TOFU): https://engineering.fb.com/2023/04…

If debunking security and/or privacy claims, and indirectly, to prove security and/or privacy claims is as simple as reverse engineering binaries then the very concept of open source for better privacy and/or security itself would be moot. Its outrageous to even suggest that.
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