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Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by kjeldsendk »

externedguy wrote: post #5
rob74 wrote: post #3

> what came to my surprise is that Poland, Turkey, Scandinavian countries, Africa have literally 1 to none nuclear stations. Also, Austria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Austria Short timeline: - 1972: started building its first nuclear power plant - 1978: parliament decides to ban nuclear power for 20 years - 1997: ban is made permanent Note that the initial decision for the ban was even before Cher…

Indeed. I wonder what are the real reasons behind these bans in German nations. Can't believe it's just for political populism, there must be something more substantial.

The real reasons were many. Political nuclear was always a battlefield in Germany. Safety concerns, how long before something goes wrong. Economy, going green and gas and eventually primarily green would be cheaper than investing billions in Nuclear.

Today it's also a question of security and with what's going on I would guess Germany has no regret that they don't have these juicy targets available anymore.

Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by nine_k »

externedguy wrote: post #5
rob74 wrote: post #3

> what came to my surprise is that Poland, Turkey, Scandinavian countries, Africa have literally 1 to none nuclear stations. Also, Austria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Austria Short timeline: - 1972: started building its first nuclear power plant - 1978: parliament decides to ban nuclear power for 20 years - 1997: ban is made permanent Note that the initial decision for the ban was even before Cher…

Indeed. I wonder what are the real reasons behind these bans in German nations. Can't believe it's just for political populism, there must be something more substantial.

It may as well be some money from fossil fuel sellers: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-funding-europe...

Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by ViewTrick1002 »

fifilura wrote: post #39

In Scandinavia i would say Denmark is the anomaly. Their bet is on wind power. I think they also had a negative sentiment towards nuclear because Sweden built one of their (now closed) plants very close to Copenhagen. Norway has so much high yield Hydro power that they would not need it. (The difference between Swedish and Norwegian hydro is that the landscape is more dramatic so they can get a big height difference.…

Finland opened a single new reactor after a 13 year delay on what was supposed to be a 5 year project at unimaginable cost for all involved parties.

Not a great look.

Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by externedguy »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #32

Poland has test nuclear reactor: https://www.ncbj.gov.pl/en/maria-reactor We were building NPP based on VVER reactors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BBarnowiec_Nuclear_Power_P... We're going to build at least one, the planning phase is rather advanced and real building is expected to start in 2026, with completion expected in 2033-2035. https://ppej.pl/en/news/information-on-the-status-of-field-w...

MARIA is a research reactor that does not contribute to the grid so it's not included.

I indeed missed the other two, added both of them (even though they have no ID provided by IAEA) here:

https://nuclearstations.com/map#6.58/54.044/19

Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by cinntaile »

Moldoteck wrote: post #36
cinntaile wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you really insinuating that the German automotive industry is behind the nuclear ban? Why would they do that?

german auto companies aren't that competitive in ev field and i'm not sure they want to. Thousands of ppl are working at those and that work is related to combustion engine design, switching to ev might mean a huge blow for them. Nuclear, if done like in france/japan/korea, means cheap(er) reliable electric energy which would motivate more ppl to switch to ev's and since there are other players like tesla (more popul…

France, Japan and Korea are all countries with a big vested interest in ICE vehicles so why doesn't your reasoning apply to them?

Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by externedguy »

jeroen wrote: post #43

Something seems to be off with the grouping. If you look at Chinon (France) there are 2 different statuses, but 3 groups. A1 is not grouped with A2 and A3.

Circles are not grouped in any way, just overlaid.

If you hover on the center of the circle you'll see all of the Chinon blocks (they're 7: A1-3 and B1-4). You can search for "Chinon" to see them on the list or just click the circle that will scroll the list to the section where all the blocks are visible.

Will try to find a more intuitive way to show the reactors that are located in the same place.

Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by externedguy »

fifilura wrote: post #40

In Sweden there is also a closed down reactor close to the Stockholm city center at the technical university (KTH). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R1_(nuclear_reactor) Not the same as the Ågesta reactor, which is mapped.

Thanks, afaiu it's also a research reactor that did not contribute to the grid. Might add research ones in the future, even though I do not see how they would be useful.

Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by pjc50 »

rob74 wrote: post #3

> what came to my surprise is that Poland, Turkey, Scandinavian countries, Africa have literally 1 to none nuclear stations. Also, Austria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Austria Short timeline: - 1972: started building its first nuclear power plant - 1978: parliament decides to ban nuclear power for 20 years - 1997: ban is made permanent Note that the initial decision for the ban was even before Cher…

The South African nuclear reactor was of course linked to their desire to have nuclear weapons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_ma...

It's difficult to disentangle civilian power from nuclear weapons concerns. This is particularly important if you want to get a good historical understanding of the opposition to nuclear reactors.

- until the end of the cold war, many people considered the risk of nuclear war to be potentially imminent, while global warming was a comparatively distant threat. This is still a somewhat live political issue around Iran, and Israel/US security services devote a lot of effort to sabotaging the Iranian nuclear weapons industry

- until environmental campaigners won, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_disposal_of_radioactive_... was common

- American commentators really underestimate the impact of Chernobyl on European agriculture, and how long it took to dissipate

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