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Re: Show HN: A platform for remote piano lessons based on the Web MIDI API

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From what I've heard MIDI controllers are not good for learning piano. You really want weighted keys and a full 88 keys otherwise you won't learn the right habits or build finger strength. (I learned on a physical piano in person, so I can't speak personally about learning on a MIDI controller, but it sounds plausible to me.)

Most people don't have a place to put a Steinway, but you can put an MPK Mini MKIII and a laptop in a backpack. And what comes out of the speakers is the only thing that matters. Playing the piano means different things to different people.

Playing the piano and playing music with a 25-key mini keyboard controller are both laudable goals but that doesn't mean they're the same thing.

Re: Show HN: A platform for remote piano lessons based on the Web MIDI API

#42

From what I've heard MIDI controllers are not good for learning piano. You really want weighted keys and a full 88 keys otherwise you won't learn the right habits or build finger strength. (I learned on a physical piano in person, so I can't speak personally about learning on a MIDI controller, but it sounds plausible to me.)

my opinion (as a dad with kids learning piano, who learned piano as a kid) playing with 88 weighted keys is like learning to write cursive with a fountain pen - maybe artistically interesting, but doesn't matter for the core skills. My kids are learning on 61 key unweighted boards and they're learning melody, rhythm, notation, theory, and all of the things that are about music, not about the particular physiological…

It’s more like playing baseball with a whiffle ball or using a touchscreen over a mouse, a Segway over hiking. You can learn a lot about steering riding a bike with training wheels. But just like your kids, they’ll be physically unable to use the real thing.

It’s not hard to develop that finger strength, just need give kids the opportunity

Re: Show HN: A platform for remote piano lessons based on the Web MIDI API

#43

From what I've heard MIDI controllers are not good for learning piano. You really want weighted keys and a full 88 keys otherwise you won't learn the right habits or build finger strength. (I learned on a physical piano in person, so I can't speak personally about learning on a MIDI controller, but it sounds plausible to me.)

I agree that weighted keys are preferable, but it's not about "building finger strength," but rather about building finger coordination. Your fingers are already plenty strong enough for weighted keys (especially once you learn how to take advantage of gravity in your technique).

But weighted keys are crucial for building coordination. The resistance of the keys helps you calibrate the connection between your touch and the sound produced. You want both kinesthetic and aural feedback.

Re: Show HN: A platform for remote piano lessons based on the Web MIDI API

#46

From what I've heard MIDI controllers are not good for learning piano. You really want weighted keys and a full 88 keys otherwise you won't learn the right habits or build finger strength. (I learned on a physical piano in person, so I can't speak personally about learning on a MIDI controller, but it sounds plausible to me.)

my opinion (as a dad with kids learning piano, who learned piano as a kid) playing with 88 weighted keys is like learning to write cursive with a fountain pen - maybe artistically interesting, but doesn't matter for the core skills. My kids are learning on 61 key unweighted boards and they're learning melody, rhythm, notation, theory, and all of the things that are about music, not about the particular physiological…

Weights greatly increase the dynamic range. It has nothing to do with the 1600s.

Re: Show HN: A platform for remote piano lessons based on the Web MIDI API

#47

From what I've heard MIDI controllers are not good for learning piano. You really want weighted keys and a full 88 keys otherwise you won't learn the right habits or build finger strength. (I learned on a physical piano in person, so I can't speak personally about learning on a MIDI controller, but it sounds plausible to me.)

MIDI doesn't automatically mean no weighted keys.

All digital pianos have USB midi, and you can easily pick one a used one with weighted keys for a few hundred on craigslist.

My Yamaha U1 piano also came with a box that lets you interface over MIDI.

Re: Show HN: A platform for remote piano lessons based on the Web MIDI API

#48

From what I've heard MIDI controllers are not good for learning piano. You really want weighted keys and a full 88 keys otherwise you won't learn the right habits or build finger strength. (I learned on a physical piano in person, so I can't speak personally about learning on a MIDI controller, but it sounds plausible to me.)

My fully-weighted, 88-key digital piano 100% has MIDI out.

Re: Show HN: A platform for remote piano lessons based on the Web MIDI API

#49

From what I've heard MIDI controllers are not good for learning piano. You really want weighted keys and a full 88 keys otherwise you won't learn the right habits or build finger strength. (I learned on a physical piano in person, so I can't speak personally about learning on a MIDI controller, but it sounds plausible to me.)

MIDI doesn't automatically mean no weighted keys. All digital pianos have USB midi, and you can easily pick one a used one with weighted keys for a few hundred on craigslist. My Yamaha U1 piano also came with a box that lets you interface over MIDI.

Some even have 5-pin DIN MIDI

Re: Show HN: A platform for remote piano lessons based on the Web MIDI API

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my opinion (as a dad with kids learning piano, who learned piano as a kid) playing with 88 weighted keys is like learning to write cursive with a fountain pen - maybe artistically interesting, but doesn't matter for the core skills. My kids are learning on 61 key unweighted boards and they're learning melody, rhythm, notation, theory, and all of the things that are about music, not about the particular physiological…

Weighted keys aren't about requirements from the 1600s, they're about being able to achieve an extremely wide and sensitive dynamic range. Unweighted is fine if you're making synth sounds. And of course for understanding the things you've listed. But you can't actually play emotionally expressive piano music on them -- not in the style of classical or jazz. If you tried to play the Moonlight Sonata first movement, it…

>But you can't actually play emotionally expressive piano music on them -- not in the style of classical or jazz.

Yes you can, and yes it is more-or-less trivial. With a small amount of deliberate practice, you can learn to produce a full and finely-gradated dynamic range on either a piano-weighted or a semi-weighted keybed. It's a one-dimensional mechanical skill that just isn't particularly difficult relative to, say, an oboeist's reed control or a violinist managing the very complex relationship between bow and string. If I say "you just don't press quite as hard" it'll sound like I'm being glib, but that's literally all there is to it, because physics.

Strings players choose from a wide range of string tensions and woodwind players choose from a wide range of reed stiffnesses, based purely on their own personal preference. Some prefer something soft and pliable that responds to the lightest touch, others prefer something that fights back when you dig in. It's an accident of history that mechanical pianos fall into a relatively narrow range of weightings, not a deliberate choice on the part of pianists or piano makers - the range of options are limited by the mechanics of an escapement and hammer.

Pianists overwhelmingly prefer weighted keybeds out of habit, but more generalist keyboard players will often prefer a semi-weighted keybed for versatility. You can play gigs or sessions with either and you're the only one who's going to notice. Calling either choice wrong is just dogma.

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