At Strange Loop this year, there was a local first unconference the day after. I got introduced to odd.sdk and dxos. Those are also worth looking at. Exciting things happening in this space.
odd.sdk is stellar for Web based apps, great team behind!
Show HN: Anytype – local-first, P2P knowledge management
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#42Related:
Anytype Desktop 0.37.0 Released - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38772317 - Dec 2023 (1 comment)
Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36799548 - July 2023 (273 comments)
Anytype. FOSS Notion Alternative - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34167322 - Dec 2022 (7 comments)
Anytype: A local, privacy-first Notion alternative - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31542354 - May 2022 (41 comments)
Show HN: Anytype – an offline-first private alternative to Notion - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24921137 - Oct 2020 (12 comments)
Show HN: Anytype – self-hosted open-source operating environment - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21983381 - Jan 2020 (32 comments)
Re: Show HN: Anytype – local-first, P2P knowledge management
#43Tried it. It's polished so well done and the p2p / e2e aspects are novel but it's too heavy and complex for what I need a bit like Obsidian. I personally find a lot of these note taking apps relish in the act of note taking itself and lose the purpose of the note itself, which for me, is to drive forward intent. With that in mind I have started to play with Heynote from recent HN post a few days ago ( https://news.yc…
Got the same feeling - this is designed for people who turn taking notes into a _thing_ in itself. The productivity nerds. Linking their notes, categorising, organising, diligently making sure their knowledge base is up to date.
And that is the complete opposite of how I use notes - as notes. Just a place to write stuff down and get back to it later.
Wish there was an app that organises them for you - instead of me having to do all the work - but it seems like all these "superproductive knowledge base gigachad note-taking apps" are made to waste more time on "productivity" procrastination of setting things up instead of actual "lets help the user" part.
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Also, if someone from Anytype is reading this - can you have a "clear space" button or something? After creating my Personal space, it is filled with "tutorial" stuff. I don't want it. I don't need it. It's distracting and completely killing the vibe that instead of using the app as I want, first I have to delete all your pre-defined tutorial stuff, one by one.
Re: Show HN: Anytype – local-first, P2P knowledge management
#44As someone who's been active in the IPFS community, it's really exciting to see how Anytype uses content addressing to manage and sync data under the hood ( https://github.com/orgs/anyproto/discussions/15 ). I think the fact that local-first P2P apps cannot be built directly on the web is a shame, some of the building blocks, like WebRTC are there, but browsers still lack some APIs to allow for more bottom-up innovat…
TLDR for others: Anytype is using IPLD ( https://ipld.io/ ), which is a project that came out of IPFS, but Anytype doesn't use IPFS itself (nor libp2p, or multiformats). Seemingly they felt it was necessary to write their own network layer and more as stable identifiers and logic for merging documents was too complicated to put on top of IPFS: > We also considered using IPFS, but its approach to content identifiers d…
I'll try to clarify: For syncing objects (anytype native data structure), we use IPLD in conjunction with our own networking layer. For file synchronization, however, we opt for IPFS without libp2p, since a faster method is necessary to improve the user experience. This strategy ensures our file storage is compatible with the public IPFS network and incentive-based storage networks like Filecoin and Arweave. Additionally, it provides a significantly faster experience for our users now. This approach works much better for cases when you have many small files ( what often the case in pkm and communication).
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
im not the dev but what you're wanting is completely unreasonable. No note application does this and this would slow down the application without having any additional benefits
> No note application does this Yes, the app Turtl ( https://turtlapp.com ) does do this and it's not slow at all really. It only decrypts data upon viewing, and immediately re-encrypts when saving data. So this is actually entirely reasonable and entirely doable. The benefits are that malicious applications can't read data just sitting on the hard drive, which removes an entire class of attacks. An encrypted hd does…
How would you search through thousands of notes? Decrypt them all in memory, search and encrypt them again? How does this scale with attachments?
Re: Show HN: Anytype – local-first, P2P knowledge management
#46The screenshots seem to disable zooming on mobile. Please don’t do that. Unfortunately the usage restrictions of the non-open-source licence make it a no-go for me. Can't use it for anything that could potentially facilitate "any transaction of economic value", which removes most of the utility of such an app.
Thanks for the feedback about the screenshots! We'll get that fixed.
The license is somewhat vague. Essentially, it means you can use the software as a tool for your revenue-generating business. You have the option to use it for free if you self-host. Alternatively, you can choose a paid membership in our network, which eliminates the need for you to handle maintenance. The license specifically restricts selling the software to others without ANY coop consent.
Re: Show HN: Anytype – local-first, P2P knowledge management
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
While note-taking is cool and is one of the main use cases that anytype is used for today, we don’t place ourselves into the note-taking category. What we are building is a local first superapp (don’t like this word, but can’t find a better analog) - anytype aims to give powers of a flexible interface (a graph data-base with modular UI) and collaboration and communication capabilities based on local-first ideals. The…
> Also, we expect our community to contribute new data types, new plugins and new views. This could be powerful if executed correctly. I'm hoping that the runtime and schema/language will be open and interoperable and not a part of your proprietary portion. I understand your need to make money and grow, however. I wish y'all the best of luck!
thank you for the words of support!
Re: Show HN: Anytype – local-first, P2P knowledge management
#48Tried it. It's polished so well done and the p2p / e2e aspects are novel but it's too heavy and complex for what I need a bit like Obsidian. I personally find a lot of these note taking apps relish in the act of note taking itself and lose the purpose of the note itself, which for me, is to drive forward intent. With that in mind I have started to play with Heynote from recent HN post a few days ago ( https://news.yc…
Try SiYuan Note. It's like a mix of Notion and Obsidian, but open source and local-first.
Re: Show HN: Anytype – local-first, P2P knowledge management
#49Tried it. It's polished so well done and the p2p / e2e aspects are novel but it's too heavy and complex for what I need a bit like Obsidian. I personally find a lot of these note taking apps relish in the act of note taking itself and lose the purpose of the note itself, which for me, is to drive forward intent. With that in mind I have started to play with Heynote from recent HN post a few days ago ( https://news.yc…
Thank you for taking the time!
Yes, we are aware that there is a steep learning curve before you reach the point where you feel it's worthwhile. It's absolutely true that if you need a tool solely for note-taking, Anytype might not be the best option. We envision Anytype as a tool for knowledge management and communication (we're launching multiplayer early next year). One of our biggest internal projects is to simplify the user experience. With each new release
Re: Show HN: Anytype – local-first, P2P knowledge management
#50Tried it. It's polished so well done and the p2p / e2e aspects are novel but it's too heavy and complex for what I need a bit like Obsidian. I personally find a lot of these note taking apps relish in the act of note taking itself and lose the purpose of the note itself, which for me, is to drive forward intent. With that in mind I have started to play with Heynote from recent HN post a few days ago ( https://news.yc…
Got the same feeling - this is designed for people who turn taking notes into a _thing_ in itself. The productivity nerds. Linking their notes, categorising, organising, diligently making sure their knowledge base is up to date. And that is the complete opposite of how I use notes - as notes. Just a place to write stuff down and get back to it later. Wish there was an app that organises them for you - instead of me h…
I personally use logseq for this.
And just use # tags to store something to a "page" like #books #business #health and so on and I just write in my daily journal or whatever it is called and it is then linked to the page by the tag. So I don't have folders or files to work with. I just write in my daily journal and give it hashtags. You can go to the hashtags or search for whatever you want. You also can put multiple hashtags on to one outline. You can also query for different stuff like this hashtag and this word or something like this. It is open source. So you might want to give it a try. It can also store PDFs, images and so on. Its actually super nice.