Hard to understand why something this simple would need iOS 17? Seems potentially worth it to digging into ehy you can't do a slight refactor to support ios 15,16
Interactive widgets is iOS 17 only. Also, since it's a new app (and I think) a new-ish developer, I doubt they want the hassle of supporting old OSes for a key app feature.
Show HN: Patterns – Habit Tracker App
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#42I use https://github.com/iSoron/uhabits This is actually really a good app!
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#43Thank you for not including surveillance in the app. I’m buying it to show my support for this decision, even before I know if I will use it or not. Edit: spoke too soon. It seems to hang on “Loading pricing plans…” so I can’t seem to. It’s good you offer a lifetime plan (the only way I would buy it) but subscriptionware is repulsive. Please consider just not using subscriptions.
> [...] but subscriptionware is repulsive. Please consider just not using subscriptions. I get where you're coming from, especially if an app has no service component, but it's inevitable if a platform has no good way to charge for upgrades. And as much as some people would like to buy a version of an app once and keep using that same version forever, platforms also make that impossible by changing the environment an…
Taking away consumer choice is never a good thing and that is exactly what subscriptions are designed to do. Not to mention that subscription pricing is always ridiculously high.
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#44I ditched all apps for habits, focus, goal oriented. I realized my brain could do that for free and without technology, with some work.
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#45The app looks good so far! As the indie developer behind https://everyday.app I'm happy to see more indies joining the market :) You have a lot of work to do ahead!! heheh Cheers and happy to help!
I used this one for a while: https://polarhabits.com However these apps should integrate with HealthKit.. I want to run 30km/week, it should be able to track that. Beeminder is cool with their visualizations.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dependency updates, security updates, bug fixes. Yes, if your userbase is in the hundreds of thousands, the one time payments will cover a developer's lifetime of maintenance work. But if you are a random HN dev with a 20-user app, then the 100 dollars, you will not cover a 10 year period of maintenance work, unless your app has zero dependencies and doesn't use any web apis. Crunchy Bagel is not a random HN dev maki…
But the dev here claimed they created this tool for themselves. If that is the case, why not let everyone else use it for free too if you maintain it for yourself anyway. I wouldn't answer questions or read feedback then as a dev because it's not a product really, but why not go that route?
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dependency updates, security updates, bug fixes. Yes, if your userbase is in the hundreds of thousands, the one time payments will cover a developer's lifetime of maintenance work. But if you are a random HN dev with a 20-user app, then the 100 dollars, you will not cover a 10 year period of maintenance work, unless your app has zero dependencies and doesn't use any web apis. Crunchy Bagel is not a random HN dev maki…
But the dev here claimed they created this tool for themselves. If that is the case, why not let everyone else use it for free too if you maintain it for yourself anyway. I wouldn't answer questions or read feedback then as a dev because it's not a product really, but why not go that route?
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are the regular maintenance costs that are specific to a mobile application? And more importanty, how does the Streaks app from Crunchy Bagel manage to do without subscriptions? My point being that the recurring cost of a developer license can easily be diluted on one-time payments.
Try to look a bit further than the simplest things. An app can be provided for free if the app itself is not meant to make money but as a funnel to bring more customers to other related business. For a design company, just getting the exposure and being talked about [1] (i.e. nothing tangible) can already be worth enough giving some work for free. So you might work for free giving away muffins on the street if that m…
"An app can be provided for free if the app itself is not meant to make money but as a funnel to bring more customers to other related business."
You are assuming that a random HN dev has a business at all which is not necessarily the case. App business
"So you might work for free giving away muffins on the street if that might make people want to come to your cake shop and buy some other stuff. But it's silly to think that you should give your pastries away if you don't have other products and pastries is the only thing you do for a living." You are just agreeing with me here. Making stuff available for others is more work and software is not different unless you just drop the zipped app file in mediafire and leave people to do with it whatever they want.
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#49Thank you for not including surveillance in the app. I’m buying it to show my support for this decision, even before I know if I will use it or not. Edit: spoke too soon. It seems to hang on “Loading pricing plans…” so I can’t seem to. It’s good you offer a lifetime plan (the only way I would buy it) but subscriptionware is repulsive. Please consider just not using subscriptions.
Expecting not to have a subscription for a mobile app in 2023 is not realistic. For an app to be available on the app store, even if no features are added, needs to be regularly maintained. That maintenance has a cost. If you want to have an application with no maintenance, just side load an app file and be done with it.
The majority of small developer apps are not subscriptionware. Many developers have for decades successfully run a business without recurring perpetual income from completed sales.
Resist the drip feed demand that developers be paid in perpetuity for work they did once. Not all software is SaaS.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Try to look a bit further than the simplest things. An app can be provided for free if the app itself is not meant to make money but as a funnel to bring more customers to other related business. For a design company, just getting the exposure and being talked about [1] (i.e. nothing tangible) can already be worth enough giving some work for free. So you might work for free giving away muffins on the street if that m…
Maybe you should look further into things. "An app can be provided for free if the app itself is not meant to make money but as a funnel to bring more customers to other related business." You are assuming that a random HN dev has a business at all which is not necessarily the case. App business "So you might work for free giving away muffins on the street if that might make people want to come to your cake shop and…
Patterns, the app discussed here, is definitely a business. They are asking for a subscription fee because presumably they want to make a living out of it. Also, it is the only product they have to offer (it doesn't look to be the case of being a free goodie intended to bring customers to other business the author might have).
Thus, my point was that it is not reasonable to compare it to a free offering like "how does the Streaks app from Crunchy Bagel manage to do without subscriptions". They are just whole different categories of products (or maybe to nitpick, the intentions and financials behind them are totally different).