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Re: Show HN: Open-source Auth0 alternative Ory Kratos v0.13 released – nearing v1.0

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Post by cco »

2mol wrote: post #16

A while ago my team needed exactly this kind of auth solution, so the eng team reached out to Ory to clarify some technical questions that weren't covered by the docs. We were super enthusiastic about Ory. It looked solid, was open-source, and ticked all the right boxes. We got an immediate response by a very motivated sales person who insisted to be connected with management and refused to put us in touch with anybo…

> ...basically presumed that our eng team wasn't the decision maker (it was).

I work at an auth company as well, Stytch, and this is something that we treat as obvious but we've seen a lot of reports like yours. Auth is such critical infrastructure, it is always going to come down to the technical team in the end.

Re: Show HN: Open-source Auth0 alternative Ory Kratos v0.13 released – nearing v1.0

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Post by cco »

cyanf wrote: post #28

Ory’s killer feature is that it’s billed by DAUs not MAUs. It makes cost much lower and more consistent.

> It makes cost much lower and more consistent.

I would have thought the opposite given that they'd be charging per user per day as opposed to an all you can eat in a given month for a single user.

Re: Show HN: Open-source Auth0 alternative Ory Kratos v0.13 released – nearing v1.0

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Post by cyanf »

cco wrote: post #42
cyanf wrote: post #28

Ory’s killer feature is that it’s billed by DAUs not MAUs. It makes cost much lower and more consistent.

> It makes cost much lower and more consistent. I would have thought the opposite given that they'd be charging per user per day as opposed to an all you can eat in a given month for a single user.

Fortunately, it's billed as average DAUs. So a user logging in once a day over 30 days would count as 1 DAU.

Re: Show HN: Open-source Auth0 alternative Ory Kratos v0.13 released – nearing v1.0

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Post by mariusor »

meepmorp wrote: post #36
mariusor wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which requires viewers be authenticated to show anything. Bleh.

Just click the comparison links, e.g., ory vs keycloak leads to: https://www.ory.sh/comparisons/ory-vs-keycloak/ the chart may be hidden "below the fold," so scroll down.

Ah I see. Terrible UI none the less.

I gave up previously because having the user create button "above the fold" implied that an account was needed to view the comparison. SMH.

Re: Show HN: Open-source Auth0 alternative Ory Kratos v0.13 released – nearing v1.0

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Post by aeneas_ory »

nickreese wrote: post #21

I want to love ory but honestly I have no idea how to integrate it like I can with supertokens. Literally looking to move from supertokens and have spent 4 hours trying to grok how to make the change. The docs are OK but how the products interconnect is super opaque.

Hey there - a good place to get guidance is our large Slack community - slack.ory.sh - I’m also there and happy to help!

Re: Show HN: Open-source Auth0 alternative Ory Kratos v0.13 released – nearing v1.0

#47

Post by aeneas_ory »

zinclozenge wrote: post #9

Are there any plans to support multi-tenancy? I understand that the current recommendation is to run multiple separate deployments, but will it be supported for a single deployment?

This will most likely stay a closed source feature for a while. Reason being that it makes an ElasticSearch situation more unlikely to happen

Re: Show HN: Open-source Auth0 alternative Ory Kratos v0.13 released – nearing v1.0

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Post by meepmorp »

mariusor wrote: post #45
meepmorp wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just click the comparison links, e.g., ory vs keycloak leads to: https://www.ory.sh/comparisons/ory-vs-keycloak/ the chart may be hidden "below the fold," so scroll down.

Ah I see. Terrible UI none the less. I gave up previously because having the user create button "above the fold" implied that an account was needed to view the comparison. SMH.

Oh, yeah, it's lousy design. I don't think it's intentionally deceptive, but it was still offputting.

Re: Show HN: Open-source Auth0 alternative Ory Kratos v0.13 released – nearing v1.0

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Post by tiki_ory »

capableweb wrote: post #12
samtho wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their cookie banner is provided by a 3rd party and I can’t see how it is non-compliant unless there is something I’m missing.

Because it's a 3rd party, it cannot be non-compliant? Seems like it's 1 extra click to disallow compared to allow, so yeah, non-compliant. Should be exactly as easy to say yes as saying no. In this case it's not.

Hey. Ory PM here. Thanks for the info. We fixed the Cookie Banner now. So one click Deny is now possible.

Re: Show HN: Open-source Auth0 alternative Ory Kratos v0.13 released – nearing v1.0

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Post by nullfield »

8organicbits wrote: post #4
nprateem wrote: post #3

A great example of a website that completely fails to clearly explain how it's different from the competition.

Linked from the home page: https://www.ory.sh/comparisons/

If this was all the way transparent about Keycloak they’d make it clear that Keycloak is the upstream for Red Hat SSO, which has support options from Red Hat/IBM and so on. It’s a little bit different model from theirs, but no less valid.
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