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Re: Show HN: What do you think of my new social app?

#41

- your landing page says 'On Circles, your data is encrypted at rest. This means no ads or questionable business.', how does data being encrypted relate to 'no ads'? - asking for contacts while saying nothing about how you monetize is a huge red flag to me - since you are already using cross platform JS framework, how about making it available as a PWA? or maybe provide apk directly? google store doesn't cover a size…

> how does data being encrypted relate to 'no ads'

I guess they are talking about data-mining your at-rest data for personalised ads.

Re: Show HN: What do you think of my new social app?

#42
post #15

Doesn't it seem like too much of a work? Just as you were using Hacker News, most people I know use a social network, passively. That is, there are only a few people who post regularly while others just react to it. Also I think WA / Telegram groups basically replaced what Path / Google+ / FB Lists set out to do. It's just more convenient. Right now Instagram does all of what I would want from a "public" social netwo…

Thanks for the feedback! It depends on the context, I think for most it is too much work but we're not focused on building a tool for everyone right now (on that I wish we could be more targeted in our marketing).

True most networks are passive, and the public networks are catering for this. I would also agree that the chat apps is a great solution for close connections and often use this as their primary social network for this reason.

From experience, because chat is a linear thread, conversation focused and notification heavy, it's really not good for sharing things that don't directly concern the person/group you're talking to.

So Circles is all about creating a space for sharing your life with those who matter most, sharing things that you don't necessarily need to share but would like to away from the spotlight of social media. For example I've been sharing my travels in Portugal to my close friends and family circles (around 20 people who are mainly not interconnected). If I did this on chat I would be opening/maintaining 10+ conversations about myself! This is the problem we're solving currently.

That said, overall I agree that there's an overlap there that takes away from the value we offer to people right now. Gotta start somewhere though!

Re: Show HN: What do you think of my new social app?

#43

Syncing contacts from my phone is a hard no even from established companies -- there's just way too much potential for abuse. An unknown individual wanting this screams scam. But let's assume for the moment that you aren't running a contact harvesting scam... I hardly use Facebook and I'm very particular about who I add on there. I actually go back and remove people I don't interact with or who create noise --I want…

I’m sure all the people in your contact list who don’t want their information shared would be happy that you say no. Frankly, I’m always somewhat amazed that people do share that information. To me, it doesn’t feel like that’s mine to share.

Re: Show HN: What do you think of my new social app?

#44
post #30

The idea is pretty cool! I think it has potential, as when I used instagram, people seemed to enjoy the “closed friends” feature, and also created separate IG accounts to follow close friends.

Thanks! It's been interesting as I used the first prototype to learn how to code. There's been breaks between then and now but that was 18 months ago - a lot of the premises for building Circles have been adopted by IG. Close Friends, Send to Groups, DM focus and easy account switching.

Re: Show HN: What do you think of my new social app?

#45
Here's a skeptic's take on this:

- People share privately in group chats. For example, in Whatsapp groups.

- Circles were tried by Google, and got nowhere. One of the big lessons was that people don't want to organize friends into circles. In group chat (like in Whatsapp), one person creates/admins the group and all its members benefit. The grouping (chosen by one person, say "Tennis club") is more often than not equally relevent to all its members - sparing each member the burden of creating and maintaining circles individually.

- If you're talking about encryption, you'll need to be clearer about it

Re: Show HN: What do you think of my new social app?

#46
post #39

What would be the major difference be between this and the Facebook functionality where you choose who you share with?

Great question. The major difference is that you need to add people to Circles to see from and share to them, the entire UX is focused on Circles.

Often people don't use the list feature on Facebook because a core product assumption of Facebook is that everyone you add is your friend, and lists are not a priority in the Facebook experience. The Facebook sharing experience is also centred around engagement, where more numbers makes you look better. So users have the option of using lists on Facebook but there's little incentive placed there.

Lists also don't have much impact what you see. This means on Facebook the vast, vast majority of content still comes from people you don't really care about and random content accounts from businesses and influencers. So secondarily, Circles feed is simply chronological and only contains direct content from people you have added to a circle.

Re: Show HN: What do you think of my new social app?

#47
post #20

Google+ had circles as well. I found it very hard to properly segment people properly. There are rarely such hard boundaries on relationships. If I'm snowboarding or barbecuing, it's very seldom I only wanna share that with just friends, just family, or just co-workers. It will usually be much more interest-based. Trying to create interested-based circles was also hard, as the cardinality explodes quite fast (and you…

> Google+ had circles as well. I found it very hard to properly segment people properly. There are rarely such hard boundaries on relationships. If I'm snowboarding or barbecuing, it's very seldom I only wanna share that with just friends, just family, or just co-workers. It will usually be much more interest-based.

Couldn't you make circles of circles in google plus? I remember something like that, I had circles and then grouped them based on interest.

Re: Show HN: What do you think of my new social app?

#48

A new unknown app claiming its privacy friendly asking me for all my contacts with out being open-source and not even properly tested? No thanks.

Appreciate the comment. As mentioned in some comments we will continue to push the privacy front as far as possible, until then we've tried to be clear about communicating where we are with that (and clear about what we're not yet doing privacy wise).

1. The vast majority of our privacy is in product experience. Sharing with less people instead of everyone, making reactions and comments only visible between mutual contacts. 2. Names, Posts, comments and replies are encrypted at rest. 3. We sync your phonebook for contact discovery and don't store it on our servers. Therefore it is not linked to your identity. This is a hard problem to solve as Signal wrote in this blog post (https://signal.org/blog/contact-discovery/)

That said, privacy is a super important issue and external testing and open-sourcing is something that we desire to do. So thanks for the checker here!

Re: Show HN: What do you think of my new social app?

#49
post #7

Interesting. Will have a look when I don't need to install an app to use it.

Cool. Thanks for this feedback! We started with mobile because that's the dominant force these days but depending on movement it would be great to create a web-app or desktop client.

I definitely agree that mobile is the way to start but I'm sitting in front of my computer most of the day and definitely don't want to be picking up my tiny phone to use the awkward keyboard. I'm definitely going to hold out until the web ui launches.

Re: Show HN: What do you think of my new social app?

#50
post #36

This is the only social media app that peaked my interest in the past few years and I will definitely give it a go. As others have asked, can you tell us more about your pricing strategy? I would rather that you start charging right away, so I know that a) this has a chance of surviving for a longer period of time and b) you won't fall back ot ads or the VC teat :-) Also, as you said, since it doesn't depend on dozen…

Thanks - that's awesome to hear! We're still early days and would love your feedback. Feel free to send me an email (james@oncircles.com).

It would have been a great idea to add a small price in the app store, as my core assumption was that people would not pay for a social networking app alone. Maybe I will change my assumption there. You don't need to answer this if uncomfortable doing so (or can send by email) but how much would you pay today to know the app is sustained ad-free?

Otherwise, we are fortunate to be funded by a single angel who gives us freedom to decide the path of the company. He invested with the recognition that the tides on privacy and social media are changing and that a more intimate, private social network would be a definite solution in the future (In his words, "the two most important parts of anyone's network are the closest circles and the fringes, so Circles focuses on the former").

Our next stop was to build a Circles designed interoperable chat that would allow you to send and receive messages to pretty much any major third party app. We would charge for this. However, right now we collect no individual data from our users and most user information is encrypted at rest, making it very hard for us to build any real ads mechanism.

In relation to group chats, there is a notable difference in how Circles are set up. In a group chat everything is shared to the group, and all the members are directly connected to each other because they are in that group. Circles in their current setup are closer to broadcast lists.

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