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Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Fake foreign words can sometimes take a life of their own, see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pseudo-French_words_in... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pseudo-German_words_in... My favorite coffee name so far is definitely Urino Decaffeinato

The first link is terrible. “Voir dire” is not pseudo-French, it’s an archaic expression from old Norman French (a lot of such phrases ended up in English legal language). Also, “nom de plume” is used commonly in French.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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You could generate ideas for domain names with this too.

Many people work backwards from a domain name to build their business/project/whatever. That is, the domain is dreamed up first before the name, instead of having a name for a project and then looking for a corresponding domain.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

The simple answer is that any group that is considered to be “white” whatever their level of integration is fair game. I’m not sure it’s an accurate answer or why it maps to my experience but, you don’t need to look very hard to find similar stereotypes of Irish, Russians and other distinctive European ethnicities.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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post #39

Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

This is a rabbit hole. You probably didn't mean it this way, but: > Any native American can help me understand the difference between making fun of Asians/Blacks/other groups and italo-americans? You know what "native american" means in (American) English, don't you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United...

It’s just a phrase that has two meanings and is understood with context. It’s like saying we sanctioned Jesse for his behavior.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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post #34

Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

In my lifetime, I've witnessed first hand a lot of racism, and just outright violence towards Asians and Blacks, including institutional racism. I believe that's the difference. Italian Americans don't have to worry about this sort of institutional racism (at least not in generations ), so it's easier to assume these jokes are honest attempts at humor vs bigotry.

I’ve been to Mexico. Sometimes people there try to mimic your accent and poke fun at how you sunburn so easily.

Back in the US if you were to do similar to a Mexican, you’d be accused of racism for mimicking their accent or making fun of some part of their physiology they cannot change.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

To offer a counter perspective (American here!), I did not see it as poking fun at Italians or Italian language. I saw it poking fun at coffee stores in America, as some have a tendency to make some sort of drink and give it have a name that sounds similar to the ones in the website.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

Italians aren't discriminated against en masse in the US, so poking fun at the language is seen as "punching down".

Punching up and punching down are idiotic concepts. Either something is wrong or it isn’t wrong.

This concept is basically a get out of jail free card people can use when they cross certain lines that is based on made up pretense that there exists a universal scale of power and weakness.

It’s a manipulative tool that some people thought up to control conversation.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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post #46
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my lifetime, I've witnessed first hand a lot of racism, and just outright violence towards Asians and Blacks, including institutional racism. I believe that's the difference. Italian Americans don't have to worry about this sort of institutional racism (at least not in generations ), so it's easier to assume these jokes are honest attempts at humor vs bigotry.

I’ve been to Mexico. Sometimes people there try to mimic your accent and poke fun at how you sunburn so easily. Back in the US if you were to do similar to a Mexican, you’d be accused of racism for mimicking their accent or making fun of some part of their physiology they cannot change.

Punching up versus kicking down. They're different things.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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post #49
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been to Mexico. Sometimes people there try to mimic your accent and poke fun at how you sunburn so easily. Back in the US if you were to do similar to a Mexican, you’d be accused of racism for mimicking their accent or making fun of some part of their physiology they cannot change.

Punching up versus kicking down. They're different things.

That’s bullshit. They don’t know my status nor you know if they are the seaside peddlers or the upper class Mexicans.
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