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Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by MereInterest »

Buchstabensalat wrote: post #9
bouke wrote: post #2

Maybe someday this can be added to browsers, and the browsers can advertise the users’s preference to the server. Maybe even have a special request header for it. We could call it “Do-Not-Track”. A value of “1” would opt-out of all tracking (cookies).

Great from a user perspective - but wouldn't this mean the end of online advertising? I imagine conversion tracking, or even sending requests to external servers wouldn't be okay with this setting.

I don't see an issue with that. If your business model depends on stalking people, it isn't a good business model.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by sergeykish »

GuillaumeHr wrote: post #26
jsmith99 wrote: post #16

What does this do that ublock origin doesn't? The FAQ explains the difference is that this extension makes 'clearer' your opposition to being tracked. I see there is a premium version planned but no indication of what additional features it might support.

uBlock is able to block cookie banners. But he is not able to reject cookie uses. And we (Ninja Cookie) are thinking you have to say you don't want to be tracked. We like to take the example of democracy and elections as a way of explaining our stance: many people complain that their opinion is never heard, or even that their voice cannot change the final outcome. But how can anyone expect an opinion to be heard, and…

Disable cookies by default, uMatrix

    * * cookie block
And purge LocalStorage, SessionStorage, DatabaseStorage, CacheStorage if JavaScript allowed.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by encom »

eznzt wrote: post #13

Whatever script you are using for smooth scrolling on that webpage, for the love of God, remove it. If I disabled smooth scrolling in my browser's preferences the last thing I want is some script emulating it poorly.

I noticed the scrolling was janky as hell, guess that explains it. There should be a preference in Firefox to disallow websites to fuck with scrolling.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by manicdee »

Buchstabensalat wrote: post #9
bouke wrote: post #2

Maybe someday this can be added to browsers, and the browsers can advertise the users’s preference to the server. Maybe even have a special request header for it. We could call it “Do-Not-Track”. A value of “1” would opt-out of all tracking (cookies).

Great from a user perspective - but wouldn't this mean the end of online advertising? I imagine conversion tracking, or even sending requests to external servers wouldn't be okay with this setting.

The only thing online advertising does for me is deliver malware.

The sooner it reverts back to simply delivering GIF or JPEG banners with a URL (without a few thousand lines of JavaScript) the happier I will be.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by wruza »

egypturnash wrote: post #19
Buchstabensalat wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great from a user perspective - but wouldn't this mean the end of online advertising? I imagine conversion tracking, or even sending requests to external servers wouldn't be okay with this setting.

People would still be perfectly capable of selling advertisements that worked similarly to the way ads worked before everything was online - a magazine/newspaper/tv show/etc says "our audience size is roughly X, our audience demographics are Y, here's what our ad rates are". Modern hyper-invasive ads that follow you around the net, build up a profile based on everywhere you go, and occasionally try to install unpleas…

I would actually like site-related ads rather than a stupid version of mini-me chasing me around and suggesting crap I don't need.

Targeted ads are dead-end, because they inhibit exploration. They act on assumption that a person is fixed and cannot change or want to change. Before adtech I actually liked ads on paper, because it was shiny and showed things I maybe wanted to want. E.g. watch, suits, travel, home utility. I have read ads out of curiosity. Now it is an idiotic AI that thinks I need items that I bought a week ago, single women near me, and nothing more. I have some money but I don't have any watch, suits and I barely travel, partially because no one suggested that it is cool and I'm too lazy to do full-time research myself. Where are your really targeted ads, adtech industry? Can you do your job and empty my pockets? You're too dumb for that.

Based on a description of powerful datasets they have, they should show me:

  - rtx 3080 with discount (free shipping!)
  - compare se 2020 and 12 mini at coolstore.com
  - stop walking and get a scooter!
All three are at least $800+ to spend at my location. Instead it shows:

  - cheap mobile op that sucks and will never regain me a visit cost
  - Xiaomi phone that I both have and hate
  - python courses (I helped someone with script deployment at my linux box an hour ago)
It is like a psycho that follows you all the time and just repeats every action or mistake you do; every time you kick a stone on a road, they bring it back and pull your arm.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by egypturnash »

eli wrote: post #30
egypturnash wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People would still be perfectly capable of selling advertisements that worked similarly to the way ads worked before everything was online - a magazine/newspaper/tv show/etc says "our audience size is roughly X, our audience demographics are Y, here's what our ad rates are". Modern hyper-invasive ads that follow you around the net, build up a profile based on everywhere you go, and occasionally try to install unpleas…

This works great for a media organization like ours. It's not hard to convince a company that sells power plant control software that anyone who reads utilitydive.com is a good candidate for their ad. But it's gonna be tough for sites that are "general interest" or even very specific but on a topic that just doesn't have big ad budgets behind it. Our approach also depends on building a recognizable brand in the indus…

I sure do miss having Project Wonderful ads against my comics. Moderately targeted to my audience, no flash/javascript/etc bullshit. Worked real well for my solo-creator stuff.

Honestly though once Patreon came along I had a goal of "turn off ads" and I'm pretty happy with that, too. "Everything on the Internet will be free forever, supported solely by ads!" was a terrible idea.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by recursive »

bouke wrote: post #2

Maybe someday this can be added to browsers, and the browsers can advertise the users’s preference to the server. Maybe even have a special request header for it. We could call it “Do-Not-Track”. A value of “1” would opt-out of all tracking (cookies).

There's no need to notify the server that your user-agent is opting out of cookies. Cookies only work because your user agent remembers them. You can opt out of cookies today by turning off cookies in your user agent. As a bonus, this even works for shady servers that don't respect earnest requests.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by sjroot »

dessant wrote: post #34
bouke wrote: post #2

Maybe someday this can be added to browsers, and the browsers can advertise the users’s preference to the server. Maybe even have a special request header for it. We could call it “Do-Not-Track”. A value of “1” would opt-out of all tracking (cookies).

Global Privacy Control [1] is a new specification that is backed by an increasing number of browser vendors and publishers. [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/coming-to-a-brow...

This...this was Do Not Track..

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by okokok___ »

beardog wrote: post #24

Neat approach! This extension is proprietary (according to license on Firefox Addons site). I Don't Care About Cookies and UBlock Origin are open source. Given that such an addon requires access to all sites, I have to trust a random french developer/company not to steal my banking credentials. This is not intended to be hate and I will keep this in mind for the future as this is a good new approach. I ask that you c…

where is the I Don't Care About Cookies source? I can't find it anywhere.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by edoceo »

bouke wrote: post #2

Maybe someday this can be added to browsers, and the browsers can advertise the users’s preference to the server. Maybe even have a special request header for it. We could call it “Do-Not-Track”. A value of “1” would opt-out of all tracking (cookies).

This one right? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/DN...
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