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I selected icon only, picked an icon, clicked close, and it showed me a bunch of text only logos with no icon. I went back, picked a shape, clicked close, and the loading screen just kept loading.
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Ok, why pay for a deliverable I might not be legally allowed to use, or might be associated with unknown follow-on costs to aquire that right? They are obtaining third-party resources somewhere, they would be in an excellent position to provide relevant documentation. Unless I'm missing it in the terms, the user isn't even clearly allowed to use their designs as the basis of a known-safe design, since they don't expl…
Third party resources? The problem isn't the stock images or shapes the generator uses, the problem is you could create a logo for "Disney" here or accidentally make something too close to Blogspot's logo because your company name has the same initials and you like the rounded square shape that gets generated.
When talking about the finished logo, they talk about "End Products".
They define "Design Resources" as
Throughout the process LogoFox will also make use of certain symbols, colors, fonts and other design elements (collectively known as "Design Resources”) [...]
and then state
d. Third Party Design Resources
[...] All use of these Symbols is AT YOUR OWN RISK. You shall abide by all copyright notices, trademark rules, and shall not use, copy, reproduce, modify, translate, publish, broadcast, transmit, distribute, perform, upload, display, license, sub-license, rent, lend, assign, gift, sell or otherwise transfer or distribute for any purposes whatsoever any portion of the Design Resources not owned by you: (i) without the express prior written consent of the respective owners or (ii) in any way that violates any third party right.
You acknowledge that some fonts and symbols used during the Design Process might have been licensed from a third party provider. Under no circumstances will LogoFox be liable in any way for any Design Resources, including, but not limited to, for any loss or damage of any kind incurred as a result of the use of any Materials or any part thereof.
Delivering a design where you can't even tell the customer about the license of the fonts you used is... weak. If you want to offer cheap designs, use open fonts or clearly tell the customer where they can get their own license, don't just let them figure it out themselves.
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> what am I paying for? A logo? Remove the automatic part and focus just on the deliverable; whether it's made by a computer or by a human, what you get is a few concepts before you select the one you like. And then you go with a lawyer to protect your IP.
> And then you go with a lawyer to protect your IP. Which makes this way more expensive than a normal logo created by an actual artist. If I contract someone to make me a logo, I can normally safely assume there won’t be lingering IP issues after I have the deliverable.
This clause is not about copyright on the logo itself. It's about trademark law and all the difficulties therein.
I understand your concern about copyright. In copyright, the source of the image is what matters, not its appearance: If you created your own logo that happens to be similar to an existing logo, but did not actually copy the existing item (and could prove that), you'd be fine. If you did copy it, and made significant changes until it didn't look confusingly like the original, you'd be guilty. But this isn't the problem that "perform due diligence to determine that the use of the Design Resources is free of any adverse claims and is not subject to any third party rights" is warning you about.
Trademark law is different than copyright law. If you create a brand new logo that, unfortunately, happens to look by random chance similar to another logo that already exists in your market but you didn't know about, that's an IP issue. You need to search out and differentiate your logo from all conflicting logos that already exist.
This search is why no artist or automatic logo generator could guarantee that you're able to use the outputs.
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> And then you go with a lawyer to protect your IP. Which makes this way more expensive than a normal logo created by an actual artist. If I contract someone to make me a logo, I can normally safely assume there won’t be lingering IP issues after I have the deliverable.
Only if your contract specifically states that the artist will check your logo against registered trademarks for potential infringement. Usually that requires two people, an IP lawyer and a logo designer.
Fantastic concept! But I'm completely turned off by the IP terms ([1] below). This suggests LogoFox is pushing icons without doing IP checks, and selling them as finished logo designs without any assurance that the user won't get sued because of this. Don't take this as negative feedback, but as a tip to re-think the legal side approach. Better would be that you (a) you do some copyright checks and your terms state w…
Agreed, If I paid for this service, I would expect them to do that sort of due diligence. Otherwise what am I paying for?
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> And then you go with a lawyer to protect your IP. Which makes this way more expensive than a normal logo created by an actual artist. If I contract someone to make me a logo, I can normally safely assume there won’t be lingering IP issues after I have the deliverable.
> If I contract someone to make me a logo, I can normally safely assume there won’t be lingering IP issues after I have the deliverable. This clause is not about copyright on the logo itself. It's about trademark law and all the difficulties therein. I understand your concern about copyright. In copyright, the source of the image is what matters, not its appearance: If you created your own logo that happens to be sim…
I used LogoJoy [1] a year or so ago to create a logo for my side business. This appears to have a lot of the same "designs" available as LogoJoy, but with a much less intuitive UX. [1]: https://logojoy.com/
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Agreed, If I paid for this service, I would expect them to do that sort of due diligence. Otherwise what am I paying for?
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I tried to figure that out via the chat, but the developer said he is "not sure".
What does that mean? Isn't everybody who sells physical or digital goods required to provide a valid invoice?
I used LogoJoy [1] a year or so ago to create a logo for my side business. This appears to have a lot of the same "designs" available as LogoJoy, but with a much less intuitive UX. [1]: https://logojoy.com/