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Re: Show HN: Revert the Twitter UI changes

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Post by AlexandrB »

et-al wrote: post #33
_jplc wrote: post #6

But why. Why that hate for every new UI nowadays .

Because oftentimes the new UI is designed by someone who read too much on whitespace and aesthetics and sacrifices information density. AmEx recently redesigned their site. Before, I could easily see all my credit card transactions with minimal clicks and scrolling. Now, everything is enlarged by 1.25x (probably a poorly done responsive design) and I find myself scrolling a lot more. The Gmail iOS app redesign from l…

I agree completely and it's super-ironic that many of these designs claim to focus on "content" while filling the screen with useless chrome (of the whitespace variety).

Re: Show HN: Revert the Twitter UI changes

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Post by accountyaccount »

Karunamon wrote: post #26
accountyaccount wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know someone on the design team and they actually did user testing against the changes, and it's a mix of usability improvements and aesthetics. You can't really say something is less usable without some evidence.

Ah, so that's why they broke everyone's avatars overnight. Much usability. So aesthetic. Wow. ..Snark aside, given that this is the company that won't even let people see their tweets in reverse chronological order, I don't put a whole lot of stock in their testing. Were actual users involved, or was it a tiny focus group?

Tested on samples of actual users. Unsure of size because I don't work there.

If you think making avatars round is a usability issue this conversation isn't even worth having. You seem bent on deriding change regardless of what I say.

Re: Show HN: Revert the Twitter UI changes

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Post by Karunamon »

accountyaccount wrote: post #42
Karunamon wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, so that's why they broke everyone's avatars overnight. Much usability. So aesthetic. Wow. ..Snark aside, given that this is the company that won't even let people see their tweets in reverse chronological order, I don't put a whole lot of stock in their testing. Were actual users involved, or was it a tiny focus group?

Tested on samples of actual users. Unsure of size because I don't work there. If you think making avatars round is a usability issue this conversation isn't even worth having. You seem bent on deriding change regardless of what I say.

You seem hell bent on defending change regardless of what I say. What's such a hard concept about not degrading the user experience? Nobody stopped to say "Hey, everyone is using avatars based on the box shape, won't changing the shape of the box make everyone's avatars look like shit?"

Apparently not, and that's the problem. It's a minor thing at the end of the day, sure, but it's also a symptom of a larger issue.

Sorry if I seem testy, but this is a recurring problem. Making things more "modern" while sacrificing usability, and as mentioned, I place nil credence on their "testing".

Re: Show HN: Revert the Twitter UI changes

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Post by Karunamon »

pavanky wrote: post #34
Karunamon wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, so that's why they broke everyone's avatars overnight. Much usability. So aesthetic. Wow. ..Snark aside, given that this is the company that won't even let people see their tweets in reverse chronological order, I don't put a whole lot of stock in their testing. Were actual users involved, or was it a tiny focus group?

You can disable the modified timeline if you wish to: https://support.twitter.com/articles/164083

That still isn't a proper reverse chronological sort (tweets still display out of order according to some magical backend fuckery), and that's before the constant injection of the "What you might have missed.." into my timeline no matter how many times I click the "I don't want to see this" button.

New stuff top, old stuff bottom. This is the simplest concept in computer science.

Re: Show HN: Revert the Twitter UI changes

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Post by pmontra »

Karunamon wrote: post #44
pavanky wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can disable the modified timeline if you wish to: https://support.twitter.com/articles/164083

That still isn't a proper reverse chronological sort (tweets still display out of order according to some magical backend fuckery), and that's before the constant injection of the "What you might have missed.." into my timeline no matter how many times I click the "I don't want to see this" button. New stuff top, old stuff bottom. This is the simplest concept in computer science.

I'm thinking about exceptions.

These comments in HN, probably sorted by upvotes or activity.

FB replies, last one at the bottom, which I think is pretty natural.

Thunderbird's default of last email at the bottom, which I reverse in every folder. But the last at bottom conversation view is ok.

WordPress comments.

*nix mail's list of messages.

Probably many others.

Re: Show HN: Revert the Twitter UI changes

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Post by accountyaccount »

Karunamon wrote: post #43
accountyaccount wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tested on samples of actual users. Unsure of size because I don't work there. If you think making avatars round is a usability issue this conversation isn't even worth having. You seem bent on deriding change regardless of what I say.

You seem hell bent on defending change regardless of what I say. What's such a hard concept about not degrading the user experience? Nobody stopped to say "Hey, everyone is using avatars based on the box shape, won't changing the shape of the box make everyone's avatars look like shit?" Apparently not, and that's the problem. It's a minor thing at the end of the day, sure, but it's also a symptom of a larger issue. S…

I'm defending the use of "usability" as a blanket term used to argue against subjective visual changes.

Unless you can show me evidence one way or the other, your use of the term "usability" is subjective bunk.

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