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Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

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Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

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same

Hey, same here. Can you share more details? Thanks for letting us know btw.

I will answer you as nobody else will. Hacker News users are interested in this idea, but don't want to divulge their actual address to get a "price quote". Ideally, they'd like to give their zip code and get a round-about dollar figure they can use to compare to their current pricing.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

#42

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The difference is that we're a fully regulated insurance company (as opposed to brokers like Guevara or other p2p insurance startups). It means that we can control the experience end to end and build an insurance company with a different business model than how traditional insurance companies do business. This is why we can give unclaimed money back to charity.

Why not give unclaimed money back to the consumer? Like a mutual insurance company, wouldnt that dissaude more folks from filing fraudulent* claims?

Not sure it would (it doesn't really for mutuals...)

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

#43

It looks like these are the companies that are really insuring you: Lloyd’s of London, Berkshire Hathaway’s National Indemnity, XL Catlin etc. Basically they are buying a policy from one of those companies adding 20% and selling it to you. A insurance company works by spreading risk over a large area. By selling everything in NY they are increasing their correlation which raises risk. One of the reasons for the sub p…

They're not adding 20%, they're charging you a flat 20% and then paying for the policy on the back-end. In that sense, it's like a buyers club for insurance. Lloyd's isn't insuring every Lemonade customer individually, they're insuring the entire Lemonade business, which with enough buy-in becomes a very diversified risk pool.

I'd be really surprised if their entire risk was reinsured; that tends to lead to severe incentive misalignment since they would have every incentive to sell to the riskiest customers they could find.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

#44

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Why not give unclaimed money back to the consumer? Like a mutual insurance company, wouldnt that dissaude more folks from filing fraudulent* claims?

Not sure it would (it doesn't really for mutuals...)

Perhaps I should've worded my question better to avoid your snark.

>> This is why we can give unclaimed money back to charity.

Why is charity going to prevent fraudulent claims better than money going directly back to the consumer?

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

#45

This is wildly un-new. Mutual insurance companies have existed for literally hundreds of years. Oldest one I can find in 5 minutes dates to 1762, and if you include merchant insurance organizations, probably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_insurance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Equitable_Life_Assurance_S...

Probably 20% (edit, now that I think of it, maybe up to 50%) of "hot new startups" I see posted to the front page of HN on a weekly basis are an existing business model with a slick web 2.0 front end, CSS/HTML5, etc, a marketing department run by generation Y and some mobile app developers.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

#46

Daniel from Lemonade here. Totally understand how P2P can be confusing as a term. What we mean by it is that we use each group's premiums to pay their claims, with leftover money going back to the group's common cause. To us P2P is a shorthand for: 'it's not our money'!

> What we mean by it is that we use each group's premiums to pay their claims, with leftover money going back to the group's common cause.

So using pension plans as an analogy, it's more like a pay as you go pension scheme, like Social Security, than a fully funded scheme where the capital is invested and the returns from investment pay expected payouts.

I guess the distinction is that since the leftover money is used to donate to causes, there's no buffer to handle any unusual payments in the scheme itself, and the scheme is insolvent immediately in any month where claims exceed payments. So any buffer has to come from the reinsurance contract, or from any equity capital invested in the entity writing the insurance contracts.

Is this accurate? Really interested if you tell me a little more about how you handle risk here.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

#47

I got to "enter your name" and leaked out of the funnel. I'm willing to give up my zip code to find out how you compare to my current provider. Give me some good rates to entice me out of the rest of my data.

Risk models will depend heavily on your specific address, especially in NYC where two properties on the same block might have vastly different risk profiles. Your name is likely used for credit score (effectively conscientiousness score) which is also a huge correlate of risk.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

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That comment wasn't about a bug. This person is saying that you require too much information to get a quote. And I agree.

The fact that @gilsadis didn't understand this this suggests to me that they are in entirely the wrong business.

That seems uncharitable, the OP was somewhat confusingly worded.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

#49
A better -- but still not really P2P -- example of social insurance is https://wearesosure.com (UK mobile phone only for now)

With So-Sure you link up with friends and are bonused if nobody claims. Of course that means nobody links with that friend that always loses their phone, which in theory reduces their risk and pays for the bonus.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

#50

I got to "enter your name" and leaked out of the funnel. I'm willing to give up my zip code to find out how you compare to my current provider. Give me some good rates to entice me out of the rest of my data.

I did the exact same thing.
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