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Show HN: Use Slack for Everything

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Re: Show HN: Use Slack for Everything

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This is neat, but I guess I don't really understand the problem this is solving. The company I work for uses Slack and I like it a lot. However, I've never found myself wishing that I could get a stock quote (or do a trade!), map an address, or play hangman there. Similarly, I think I could do a lot of that stuff from Emacs, but I never have. I use Emacs to edit text and I use Slack to chat. It might be because of th…

The stock quote and hangman plugins are really just demos. Where services like this really shine is when you integrate them with your existing systems. Starting a Jenkins build from your Slack channel is pretty nifty.

But this would need setting up to interact with Jenkins? Assuming yes, at that point, why not just hop on over to the Slack App Directory and pick up something there?

e.g. https://slack.com/apps/A0F7VRFKN-jenkins-ci

Re: Show HN: Use Slack for Everything

#42
post #33

This is neat, but I guess I don't really understand the problem this is solving. The company I work for uses Slack and I like it a lot. However, I've never found myself wishing that I could get a stock quote (or do a trade!), map an address, or play hangman there. Similarly, I think I could do a lot of that stuff from Emacs, but I never have. I use Emacs to edit text and I use Slack to chat. It might be because of th…

The stock quote and hangman plugins are really just demos. Where services like this really shine is when you integrate them with your existing systems. Starting a Jenkins build from your Slack channel is pretty nifty.

Welcome to the world of IRC bots.

Re: Show HN: Use Slack for Everything

#43
post #3

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Run an IRC server, configure a hubot. Yes, 'cloud'-based chat is pretty, but it's a new coat of paint over something that's been around for decades (IRC). For a company less than several thousand people, running your own singleton IRC server is about as complicated as setting up a basic 3-tier web application (i.e., a little fiddly, but not hard at all)

Clients on the other hand are somewhat lacking for IRC. We use Slack in a company of ~30, and while all the devs could easily use IRC, most of the rest of the company would struggle with it, and certainly wouldn't be able to communicate in the wide variety of ways (uploaded files, images/gifs, videos, code snippets, etc) that they do now. Slack is great at making all those rich media types 'just work', and while it w…

Take a peek at convos (web IRC client frontend) https://github.com/Nordaaker/convos for a persistent web client. It uses redis to maintain state.

Re: Show HN: Use Slack for Everything

#44
post #35

I've never used slack but how does it compare to hipchat's new connect api? https://developer.atlassian.com/blog/2015/12/going-way-beyon...

We left hipchat for slack for several reasons. First, we saved some money. There were more integrations for slack. The result has been mixed with my more technical users embracing slack, and my less technical users revolting. Hipchat is easier on the eyes and the UI is more intuitive. Both have a long way to go. There are too many chat clients around and far too many methods to communicate period. Aggregation is badl…

Aggregation is badly needed in the whole of technology, but big corporations have all decided that having proprietary cables, closed APIs and locked-in platforms is better for their bottom line than what would be good for the consumer. Also open source/free software advocates are pretty terrible at making cohesive user experiences.

When it was AIM/YIM/MSN, etc, Trillian and Pidgin came in and made the experience usable. Now its Gchat, Telegram, Hipchat and Slack. Some of these have XMPP interfaces (all?) but frankly both companies will keep their APIs as closed as possible because they want to make money on their own platform.

Re: Show HN: Use Slack for Everything

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post #31
post #29

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Compliance is an annoying issue with IRC. With Slack, Lync, or 99% of Jabber servers out there I can log every communication that takes place (outside of people using something like OTR with Jabber) - I can set up an IRC bot in every channel to log group chats, and maybe somehow disable private messages, but it's a pain in the butt to deal with IRC where compliance is a big deal (I work in healthcare). I've often toy…

Indeed compliance is an issue with IRC, but you don't need to write an IRCd to log all messages and you don't even need to configure IRC services: you could just use InspIRCd [1] (which, by the way, is a superb and extensible IRCd) and an extension such as [2] to achieve what you are looking for. [1] https://www.inspircd.org/ [2] https://github.com/joshenders/inspircd-m_chatlog

UnrealIRCD also has modules for this. You have to contact the site admin to acquire them. https://www.unrealircd.org/

Re: Show HN: Use Slack for Everything

#46
post #34

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Will we have the inevitable Twitter moment when Slack closes things up, and it becomes a crisis of unfairness for companies that built upon another?

I'm going to say yes. I thought it was common knowledge at this point not to base your entire service on the good will of another service? They're also banking on Slack not changing their API without telling them.

There were quite a few startups that built upon Twitter's API, and when access was taken away/limited, many pitch forks was raised here and elsewhere (to pretty much no effect)

Re: Show HN: Use Slack for Everything

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Clients on the other hand are somewhat lacking for IRC. We use Slack in a company of ~30, and while all the devs could easily use IRC, most of the rest of the company would struggle with it, and certainly wouldn't be able to communicate in the wide variety of ways (uploaded files, images/gifs, videos, code snippets, etc) that they do now. Slack is great at making all those rich media types 'just work', and while it w…

On one hand, you're completely right, on the other, I wish I could block all GIFs from Slack (or just not get notified about them). That kind of thing doesn't help me get work done, which is what I'm at work to do - not to share funny pictures.

Yeah of course, blocking gifs is entirely reasonable. However the rich media and ease of use is well worth the money to us. If we were a company of only developers then maybe IRC would suit us better.

Re: Show HN: Use Slack for Everything

#48
post #35

I've never used slack but how does it compare to hipchat's new connect api? https://developer.atlassian.com/blog/2015/12/going-way-beyon...

We left hipchat for slack for several reasons. First, we saved some money. There were more integrations for slack. The result has been mixed with my more technical users embracing slack, and my less technical users revolting. Hipchat is easier on the eyes and the UI is more intuitive. Both have a long way to go. There are too many chat clients around and far too many methods to communicate period. Aggregation is badl…

You saved money switching to Slack how?
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