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Re: Show HN: Pls Fix – Hire big tech employees to appeal account suspensions

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Here's my question not to you specifically but the royal you of any bigTech employees reading this forum or similar: why do the employees not stand up at all hands meetings and raise this issue as a serious problem. Of course I know the answer in they just don't care and their personal paychecks are too high for them to risk becoming a squeaky wheel. However, it is obvious that management does not intend to fix this…

Because when you're dealing with a billion users, a one-in-a-million mistake still screws a thousand users, and everyone realizes that getting the rate of mistakes anywhere near that low is impossible. At the same time, you're dealing with actual bad actors that genuinely need to be banned, and there is a lot of this abuse. Mistakes will happen. You can't stop banning users. The bad actors will file appeals (in some…

(This reply is probably too late, I missed it while scanning this thread in the morning.)

> Abuse teams are (understandably) rather tight-lipped, and also tend to insist that telling the user what they did wrong would enable abusers to dodge the protections - this is something I don't understand (the abuser presumably knows what they did, while a user wrongfully accused does not), but it seems to be consistently said by abuse teams from many different companies.

The abuser will have done a lot of things. They don't know which one(s) got them caught. The more information they're revealed, the faster they can iterate to avoid getting caught next time.

But also, the real user doesn't actually benefit that much from knowing what got them banned. What are they going to do? Go back in time and not do it?

Now, a thing the user will greatly benefit from is knowing exactly what (if anything) they need to do to get their account back. That's where the focus on informing users should be. But since the abusers will also be told the same information, this needs to be something that legitimate users will find easy, but abusers or account hijackers will find hard to do at scale. So it can't just be "write a sob story about how you need the account back because it has photos of your dead grandmother". The abusers will be more competent at that than real users.

Typically it has to be spending a limited resource, or at least proving you have access to some limited resource and rate-limiting recovery actions by that resource. Some examples: non-VOIP phone numbers, proof of real world identity, social vouching by accounts in good standing.

Re: Show HN: Pls Fix – Hire big tech employees to appeal account suspensions

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> I used to work at FB and they have a team that tries to catch employees selling access like this. For folks who aren't familiar with FB, maxrmk is absolutely right. But some more color would probably help: When one of the privacy teams discovers a violation of this kind, the employee is generally called into a meeting with HR and fired the very next day. A friend of mine did this inadvertently - just trying to help…

> and inadvertently accessed a system in a way he didn't realized was a privacy violation Sounds like they need better controls, there shouldn't be ways to inadvertently access personal data and violate someone's privacy. Particularly not at such a mature company.

The controls have gotten better / more explicit over time. They flash you up a pretty explicit clickthrough wall now. And there's pretty explicit training that you hand off issues for friends/family to a 3rd party engineer to handle rather than accessing user/friend data yourself.

Re: Show HN: Pls Fix – Hire big tech employees to appeal account suspensions

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This is a great fit for a call center support person in an emerging economy for whom 150 bucks is a big deal, I doubt this would entice a staff eng doing 500k tco.

> staff eng doing 500k tco With the stock flying high, even the L5s who stayed during the 2022 doldrums are making that kind of money.

Which is to say:

> the company stated that its median employee made just over $379,000 in 2023

https://www.businessinsider.com/meta-median-yearly-pay-emplo...

and then check the stock price since 2023:

https://www.google.com/finance/quote/META:NASDAQ?window=1Y

Re: Show HN: Pls Fix – Hire big tech employees to appeal account suspensions

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post #173

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It's hilariously apropos that employees are maximizing their revenue by solving a problem... that their employer created by maximizing its revenue (and underfunding support) Isn't modern big tech always saying that employees should shut up and focus on the numbers / delighting users?

With corporatism and capitalism, m maximizing revenue != maximizing benefit for customer and/or society Corporations' business model have not being long term sustainable, most of them have being off setting the hidden cost to environment, tax payers and general public for quite sometimes. Not event sure they can actually delighting users and make money at the same time.

> Not event sure they can actually delighting users and make money at the same time.

Of course they can, they just have to settle for single-digit $billion yearly profits instead of double or triple-digit ones. Unacceptable!

Re: Show HN: Pls Fix – Hire big tech employees to appeal account suspensions

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post #344

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It is indeed a massive ethics issue, but that's actually the aspect I love the most about it: Due to the ethics/compliance/corruption aspect, it has a chance of drawing immense attention inside the companies, possibly leading to actual durable improvements on the underlying issue.

More likely it'll lead to more red tape and shuttering those programs down and making them useless. They know that they make life-altering mistakes all the time. The nature of 1-in-a-million ensures that they're inevitable. Preventing all of those is not possible.

"All of them" is a big word, preventing is another one. Correcting the overwhelming majority of them is possible.

Re: Show HN: Pls Fix – Hire big tech employees to appeal account suspensions

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post #137

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Love your optimism. I wish I was as optimistic as you. My guess is that they’ll fire these employees and not improve their processes. These are highly skilled, highly profitable companies. If they’re not doing something, chances are they don’t wanna do it rather than incompetence

The optimistic view is that they will decide to capture this market and just let people pay a fee for a human review of their account.

The problem is they have zero incentive to make for-fee service to be any better than the free service. What are you gonna do, turn to somebody else for the same service?

Re: Show HN: Pls Fix – Hire big tech employees to appeal account suspensions

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Meta has 6 billion or so customers. Not every decision can be positive for every customer every time. There are processes to correct problems there. It requires someone to champion it, and to make a good enough case that others will join and for stakeholders to be convinced.

>Not every decision can be positive for every customer every time. sometimes would be a good first step. > It requires someone to champion it, and to make a good enough case that others will join and for stakeholders to be convinced. well we're screwed then. of course shareholders don't understand the need for moderation, nor keeping a satisfied userbase.

Stakeholders. I'm talking about the different teams in Meta that would have to approve your diffs.

Re: Show HN: Pls Fix – Hire big tech employees to appeal account suspensions

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This is commercial bribery in most places. >California Code, Penal Code - PEN § 641.3 >(a) Any employee who solicits, accepts, or agrees to accept money or any thing of value from a person other than his or her employer, other than in trust for the employer, corruptly and without the knowledge or consent of the employer, in return for using or agreeing to use his or her position for the benefit of that other person,…

If you post "locked out of my account on *" almost anywhere on social media, a bunch of bots flood you with advice on who to contact to be reinstated. From my perspective, lockouts seem to be an unchecked extortion ring run by social media employees and/or on platforms to make money... Social Media in itself has always been somewhat of a grift, and it's created all kinds of opportunities for scammers to be faceless a…

We can dream.

Re: Show HN: Pls Fix – Hire big tech employees to appeal account suspensions

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post #103

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I really hate to phrase it like this, but i don't see another way... if a FAANG employee would be considered dumb when signing up for this... how can this not have crossed OPs mind when spending his/her time building this platform (as an ex-FAANG)?

> how can this not have crossed OPs mind when spending his/her time building this platform You mean the two engineers on loan to the global investigations team at $techcompany?

I'd think they would make this offer seem less sketchy... facebook & co know better than anyone how to make bad & evil stuff sound desirable. It's in their DNA.

If this was actually a honeypot, i would have thought it would seem less like a "sign up for your own lawsuit"-form kinda site.

Maybe they use the same technique as the "prince of nigeria" kind of emails & porn ads being made so bad on purpose, to cater to a specific target group... but i just never fully understood how this kind of stuff works out better than... just actually making something better...

Re: Show HN: Pls Fix – Hire big tech employees to appeal account suspensions

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I really hate to phrase it like this, but i don't see another way... if a FAANG employee would be considered dumb when signing up for this... how can this not have crossed OPs mind when spending his/her time building this platform (as an ex-FAANG)?

I'm surprised no one has considered that this is a way to get people talking more than it is a way to get accounts unsuspended...

I didn't consider it because i couldn't think of what it would be that they want people to talk about. What do you think about? Who made this for achieving what?
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