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Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by corobo »

detaro wrote: post #321
foerbert wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: I now believe the website was, in fact, changed. Original comment below, most individual bits still relevant aside from the overall conclusion that the pieces added up to accidental confusion. Apparently concluding HN folk were bad at understanding even poorly displayed tech was not wise. Who knew? I probably should have realized that was not a good bet. At this point I consider the apparent lack of understandi…

Which browser are you using? Firefox appears to be not getting the agressive prompt to install the Chrome extension, they were clever enough to check for that.

They weren't yesterday. It looks like they just ditched it entirely now

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by [deleted] »

richardsocher wrote: post #383
corobo wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We also found that many people will just do a quick search for "asd" or "weather" and then leave How do you know this? Privacy and that

They told us when we interview them or wrote it publicly. You can see our privacy vs convenience thoughts here: https://youdotcom.notion.site/Privacy-and-Data-Protection-at...

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Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by corobo »

freediver wrote: post #307
corobo wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does now. Were they busting out the billboards when they first launched?

No, but when they first launched they needed 5,000 users to grow 10%, now they need 5M(?) to grow the same? So investing in other means is probably necessary.

You're making the same point I'm making but the other way round

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by TekMol »

richardsocher wrote: post #389
TekMol wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which search engine doesn't call any APIs and has great privacy? This question seems strange to me and makes me think you don't know the difference between API calls on the backend and sending http requests from the users browser? Go to https://duckduckgo.com/ and open your network tab. You will never see any requests to non-DDG owned websites. Your site sends requests to all kind of companies. Which exposes data abo…

Right. Have you tried the private mode (top right dropdown)? Like DDG we proxy everything in that mode. It's a bit slower so we haven't done it in default mode yet.

It is getting absurd. Having "private" in your marketing front and center and at the same time defaulting to sending your users data out to all kind of companies.

I would not have said anything if you did not post with "private" and "build for devs" in the title. I have no opinion on your project. I only know it is not private and not build for devs. This is just marketing speak and I don't like to see that on my favorite news aggregator.

By the way, have you tried the "private mode"? Even when I enable it, I still see requests to third parties.

If I should take a guess why, I would say because you use external javascript. And even when you proxy that, it can still access external hosts directly. Or your own javascript does not get sanitized correctly. Since JS is turing complete, there can never be a guarantee that your proxy mechanism sanitizes everything.

For example, every time I saw Etsy in the results, my browser made direct requests to Google.

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by corobo »

Gave it an actual go rather than a cant-use-because-extension go as the requirement has been removed

Sideways scrolling is always a horrible experience and the page is just a mess of information. I'm not sure I can see myself using this, extension or no. The results are too busy.

Also private mode should be default. Saying you don't set cookies and then I find 3 cookies - one of which seems to identify me with a uuid - is a bit daft. Why isn't this default?

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by edotrajan »

I really love the extensions and the layout I'm a designer, learning to code and even if I'm not using it for search regarding dev stuff I really like the vision and thought process Big Kudos to the entire team working on this stuff.

I have no issues with installing extension, I have 100's already and I only a dozen of them frequently

It'd be great if you could integrate some functionality similar to spotlight like, keyboard shortcut to invoke the search that also searches past sites and info on them

Also, it'd be great if it could suggest websites and news based on my search history

potential features could be like pinning and grouping sites like toby

Also, love the domain

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by corobo »

richardsocher wrote: post #383
corobo wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We also found that many people will just do a quick search for "asd" or "weather" and then leave How do you know this? Privacy and that

They told us when we interview them or wrote it publicly. You can see our privacy vs convenience thoughts here: https://youdotcom.notion.site/Privacy-and-Data-Protection-at...

I can see that private mode isn't enabled by default. What's the point haha, you've already set a tracking cookie by the time I've found the option to enable it

"Private" mode enabled:

Cookie: uuid_guest=b570ee9c-5189-40f2-94a9-50cfffa0e2f8; safesearch_guest=Moderate; userTestGroup_guest=; incognito_guest=true; nonce=NoaNI8rVUBONrnOXUNEB-fizw-_0-iEbi2krm2eeocY.xxsxwZDAgkFegAN5zPWzG86dpEaF3B6CIpFlKwoYmog; state=eyJyZXR1cm5UbyI6Ii8ifQ.tV7VWNOnfMqRQXzutXfPGxwPZkBGXIv8WQniWL1j3-Q; code_verifier=m0HCh37r3VK0aalbTEYPNLarPwf7kbgzToo8syi4-c4.51EzKX2zs9S6OOuzpAeb74rcnCxMUXJs5KS0IPprtnA

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by p3rls »

I love testing out new search engines because it's clear to everyone that the current situation is awful. For instance, my team built a custom webapp that is objectively the best in the niche and we get steamrolled by SEOed-to-hell wordpresses in google, which is bad enough, but with search engines like duckduckgo and bing, there are sites that just literally copied our HTML and pictures and are doing better than us on rankings.

You.com seems to at least follow google's general rankings, which is an improvement on that at least. Good luck.

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by 3np »

richardsocher wrote: post #389
TekMol wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which search engine doesn't call any APIs and has great privacy? This question seems strange to me and makes me think you don't know the difference between API calls on the backend and sending http requests from the users browser? Go to https://duckduckgo.com/ and open your network tab. You will never see any requests to non-DDG owned websites. Your site sends requests to all kind of companies. Which exposes data abo…

Right. Have you tried the private mode (top right dropdown)? Like DDG we proxy everything in that mode. It's a bit slower so we haven't done it in default mode yet.

I'd listen to TekMol's feedback and made "private mode" default. Marketing privacy while making the client send traceable queries to third parties severely break user expectations.

There should be no reason why all required queries aren't going to first-party servers.

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by aembleton »

Interesting idea. I thought I'd just try searching for something that I might be looking up - 'java convert int[] to Integer array'

DDG gives me an example from SO in the results which is one of the main reasons I continue to use it. No one else manages to do this and it seems that you.com can't either.

However, it does give me Code Complete which is interesting but doesn't cover Java and for some reason is below images.

I just tried with a python query - 'size of array python'. That worked much better. Got an example at the top. I might try this search out when I'm not working with Java.

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