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Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?

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Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?

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Many of the aspects of life "outside the city" are subsidized by the city. It's affordable because of this, and the cities are extra unaffordable as a result. There are many small towns who will never generate the tax revenue to cover their $50M highway off-ramp and associated infrastructure. The thread was about internet, which has also been subsidized. We subside oil so driving long distances is cheaper. We subsidi…

So if 10 million people from rural towns moved to their nearest cities, the cities would become cheaper? What would drop in price exactly?

Well, we'd stop having to spend so much taxes on redistributive efforts, again, like subsidized internet. It's up to voters and politicians to actually change the tax rate to save the money. It'd reduce government debt at least.

Electricity would be cheaper. Here in California, a significant amount of the (very high) electricity costs are used to maintain rural power lines. If rural people moved away, we'd be able to decommission them and no longer maintain the lines.

It wouldn't happen immediately, but as more people become urbanites, we'd be able to move gas subsidies and government road maintenance spending to the urban environment, where we'd spend on more drivers-per-mile roads, OR shift to public transit funding, or simply reduce that government spending.

Over time, we'd be less reliant on cars, which reduces everyones costs, but will mean we aren't so desperate to protect oil interests, so we'd be able to stop paying for wars in the middle-east. Honestly this alone has so many positive side-affects it'd be hard to actually enumerate.

Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?

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So what, you want to give them everything for free? They make good money, they don’t need further subsidies beyond what they receive for farming

You need to examine economics of being a farmer these days…. They do not make good money

'Median total farm household income has exceeded the median U.S. household income in every year since 1998'

'In 2024, median farm operator household income exceeded median U.S. household income by 22.7 percent'

'In 2024, the median U.S. farm household had $1.6 million in wealth'

'In 2024, fewer than 3 percent of all farm households had wealth levels that were lower than the estimated U.S. median household level and over 97 percent had wealth levels higher than the U.S. median'

https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-household-...

Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?

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I've written it elsewhere, but: it is such a shame that the United States saw fit to run electricity _everywhere_, no matter how rural your location, but instead of do the same for rural internet we had to wait for... a private company to launch a global network of satellites. Yes, this post is about internet access while traveling 500mph, which is a different problem, but it is so messed up that people fall over the…

You have it exactly backwards. It is far less complex and expensive and resource intensive to build Starlink than to run a new copper or fiber line with associated telecom equipment on both sides to every rural residence in the US, let alone worldwide. Yes, despite the large cost of launching satellites. And it's especially good that we don't have to force everyone to subsidize inefficient monopoly utilities with our…

The externalities need to be weighed into the cost too no?

How much global warming and environmental destruction is caused by launching rockets? A grid is built once and can be maintained for a very long time at a much smaller operating cost. Space stuff is expensive...

Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?

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If you’re on the electric grid why can’t you be on a fibre grid.

well for electric grid, you only need "local" connections -- eg. just your town and the generator...

The problem isn’t running a fibre to a town, there aren’t that many towns in the US which are completely disconnected from the road network.

It’s the last mile (or miles) to farm houses.

Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?

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We shouldn't subsidize internet, it should be provided. The internet is necessary to participate in modern society, and to only provide it to people who can afford it is what's actually elitist.

Last we checked we pay for water too. It’s abundant. It still makes sense to have a price on it because it’s a resource like anything else. In the same way, we pay for the internet. Free wifi exists if you can’t afford service. Rather than elitist, it’s just… not communist.

what is the point of a society that doesen't have common utilities? and where does one draw the line at what is necessary for a decent life in a modern society?

Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?

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I do wonder about what happens when Starlink grows its customer base a lot bigger like many of you are predicting here, since Elon Fucking Musk, the king of over-promising and under-delivering, is at the helm. We might end up yearning for the days of the (slightly more) regulated utilities instead.

Ideally the other couple low orbit satellite based ISPs will get to a decent place by the time of irrecoverable enshittification.

Oh good, so we’ll be in the same place as we are today with a duopoly or similar, where every option sucks. Sounds lovely.

Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?

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post #384
post #71

Even when flying intercontinental for many hours, I usually just pull a Puddy on flights and do nothing. I have my laptop with me, of course, but I usually leave it just in the overhead compartment. I don't even watch movies or read.

cool

got downvoted though
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