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Man this dumb conspiracy again ...
This is widely reported and documented, including by Reuters, https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/musks-spa...
This article in now way what so ever proves your point.
Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?
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Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?
#372Earlier quoted context omitted.
Internet traffic today is estimated to be a few tens of exabytes per day. Even if you assume 100000 Starlink satellites (we're far from that), each satellite would have to handle hundreds of terabytes per day. That's tens of gigabits per second per satellite, assuming traffic is split evenly among them (will never happen in real situations).
Starlink V3 can pump out some seriously impressive speeds and handle thousands of clients. Starlink is both a great leap forward in rocketry and radio technology. I do still think funny how we are going back to the pre war technology tree for a re-visit
That's not even sufficient to handle the needs of a single large city. The limitation is that even with the much larger constellation they hope to deploy there won't be enough satellites visible at once from any given large metro area.
Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?
#373Earlier quoted context omitted.
… or maybe I have 6 hours to kill? Would you look at someone reading a book and be like "it's so disturbing that people are this addicted"? Is something Internet connected really that different? (That said these days I'm thrilled if there is power on a flight.)
It IS different. Because scrolling is effortless, reading a book takes effort. Do you understand?
The above statements weren't conditioned on "scrolling".
… even then, I struggle to see what's so wrong with someone just trying to distract themselves from the hell that is flying.
Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?
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I live in a city. Like a large number of Americans, I had one broadband provider available for 20 years. (Something like 75% of us have 1 or 2). The price was high and the service was bad. I struggled to reliably achieve 20mbs at $80/mo. Starlink is better than that, and it’s millions of people. 5g home internet is slow to spread here too. Their market is large.
Yes and unless you're paying Starlink say $300/mo, they are taking a loss to serve you internet. Cities are especially difficult for them because more users are in the same spot beam so everyone shares the spectrum and they need even lower oversubscription ratios.
Yeah I don't know about the math. I've seen numbers that differ significantly from yours, but none which make it profitable at a reasonable price. I am sure he will continue to drop launch costs and I assume satellite improvements will make them able to serve more people, maybe orbit longer as they get smaller.
Or maybe it'll just implode. I hope not.
Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?
#375Earlier quoted context omitted.
We shouldn't subsidize internet, it should be provided. The internet is necessary to participate in modern society, and to only provide it to people who can afford it is what's actually elitist.
Last we checked we pay for water too. It’s abundant. It still makes sense to have a price on it because it’s a resource like anything else. In the same way, we pay for the internet. Free wifi exists if you can’t afford service. Rather than elitist, it’s just… not communist.
And your water is subsidized... Subsidies don't have to make something free.
Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?
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I'm a social democrat, I'm fine with subsidies in general, I just want them to be applied intelligently. Spending a lot of money to subsidize someone's lifestyle that's intentionally inefficient isn't smart. I'm all for helping the poor, but we should do it in a way that gets us a lot of bang for the buck.
They're not 'the poor' though. If you own a $20 million of land why is everyone rich and poor in the city paying a dollar to fund your faster internet?
"Own" is doing a lot of work here. Usually there's a long term mortgage on the land farmers "own."
Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?
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other than introducing public policy to encourage building more housing, i assume?
The problem is that in places like Seattle and the Bay Area, there are hard geographic limits to construction, even if you turn them into endless high-rises. Having watched the WA state legislature go through several years of attempts to fix housing by throwing random policy ideas into the void, I'm not convinced any of it matters nearly as much as a) more money in the state housing trust to help people with down pay…
Jesus Christ the replies to this are stupid. Have any of you three spent any time in Olympia or working on housing? No? Then shut the fuck up.
Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?
#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm a social democrat, I'm fine with subsidies in general, I just want them to be applied intelligently. Spending a lot of money to subsidize someone's lifestyle that's intentionally inefficient isn't smart. I'm all for helping the poor, but we should do it in a way that gets us a lot of bang for the buck.
They're not 'the poor' though. If you own a $20 million of land why is everyone rich and poor in the city paying a dollar to fund your faster internet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_farm#United_States
Small family farms are defined as those with annual gross cash farm income (GCFI) of less than $350,000; in 2011, these accounted for 90 percent of all US farms. Because low net farm incomes tend to predominate on such farms, most farm families on small family farms are extremely dependent on off-farm income. Small family farms in which the principal operator was mostly employed off-farm accounted for 42 percent of all farms and 15 percent of total US farm area; median net farm income was $788. Retirement family farms were small farms accounting for 16 percent of all farms and 7 percent of total US farm area; median net farm income was $5,002.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-household-...
Estimated median total income for farm households increased in 2024 relative to 2023. Median income from farming decreased while median off-farm income increased in 2024 relative to 2023. At the median, household income from farming was -$1,830 in 2024. Given the broad USDA definition of a farm (see glossary), many small farms are not profitable even in the best farm income years. Median off-farm income in 2024 was $86,900, while the median total household income was $102,748.
Re: Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?
#379Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes and unless you're paying Starlink say $300/mo, they are taking a loss to serve you internet. Cities are especially difficult for them because more users are in the same spot beam so everyone shares the spectrum and they need even lower oversubscription ratios.
Yeah I don't know about the math. I've seen numbers that differ significantly from yours, but none which make it profitable at a reasonable price. I am sure he will continue to drop launch costs and I assume satellite improvements will make them able to serve more people, maybe orbit longer as they get smaller. Or maybe it'll just implode. I hope not.
That math doesn't need to mask sense, it's always been about Golden Dome.