You created a subscription service for power-~~users~~ snitches? This is wild demonstration of misaligned incentive structures at every level.
This whole idea and, worse, the excited support for it in the comments creeps the shit out of me.
Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI
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Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI
#342Why not use AI for actual good and make a dashcam app that generates a live map of where police are at all times
Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is exactly the point, yes. You can get arbitrarily close to 100% crime detection rates with any law where there is a financial incentive for private entities to invest in this kind of infrastructure. The example I like to use is littering. If I lived near a high traffic area, and there was a $200 fine, $100 payable to the first successful reporter, you'd better believe I would invest in some webcams and some sof…
I'll take a little litter on the streets over mass surveillance and cameras everywhere identifying me everywhere I go. Because it never fucking stops at just litter. Pretty soon all that lovely data about who is where at what time gets sold, just easily tied into a little API, and the developer gets a few bucks of kick back. Gotta support the developer, right? This is just spyware for the real world shrouded in somet…
Not only that, but a society that deputizes its citizens to watch their neighbors’ every behavior in hopes of soaking them for fines, sounds like a pretty miserable society. I don’t want to live somewhere where my neighbor can make $100 by turning me in for having grass one inch too long.
Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI
#344Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI
#345Earlier quoted context omitted.
spoken like a person who’s never had to load/unload a truck before
This is a general problem we've had iterations of in Edinburgh lately: - traffic designers lay out road - there is nowhere for delivery trucks to park, or extremely limited parking - this is justified by a lengthy set of arguments about other road users - deliveries still need to be made - truck parks in bus lane, cycle lane, or on the pedestrian paving (cracking slabs!) - everyone is now mad with each other, on the…
> there is nowhere for delivery trucks to park, or extremely limited parking
In most cases, there is room for them to park: the solution is simply for delivery companies to lobby for loading zones where there are currently parking spots for private cars. Drivers will never agree to this though, so here we are.
Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI
#346Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI
#347It seems to me this is probing behaviour. It is a low-risk, initial probe, to test the bounds of what currently is considered normal. If it fails - it it is rejected - it was not controversial (parking fines) and so the cost is low. If it succeeds, the boundary of normal has been moved, and then civilian reporting of crimes for money will be extended to other crimes. Given USA now has authoritarian Government of Dona…
However, in this case, the idlers are the Nazi's killing people's lungs, and the citizens are accepting the incentive provided by the people to catch the killers?
Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI
#348Spying on your friends, neighbors, and family? Nothing to see here, just old Soviet style repression tactics.
Idling trucks are a public health hazard. Reporting actual crimes isn't spying. Certainly not when it's on public streets.
its more like reporting lung cancer, but idling isn't a criminal summons?
Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI
#349Kinda offtopic, but I think this is so dystopian as it's only the beginning. Technocracy at its best. Have a bad starter and don't wanna stop the car? The numbers and rules don't care, no room for benevolence.
Very offtopian of you
Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI
#350Awesome. Offer tech that helps people more easily become arbitrary snitches on activity in ways that's absurdly easy to manipulate or take advantage of, all while further moving forward a culture of spying on those around you just in case yo can snatch up something worth reporting for some personal gain. Truly, an obvious win for society....
Snitches get wishes granted