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Re: Show HN: Obsidian – A knowledge base that works on local Markdown files

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I tried it today. I already had a directory full of .md and .adoc so it was nice to see those in a new editor. But of course the graph is just a bubble of unlinked dots. I did started to link some but I don't see the benefit. Took a shower and my enthusiasm got cold: how can I know my data is safe aka not getting uploaded somewhere? There is an AutoUpdate feature after-all. :(

We'll add an option to disable auto-update soon!

If you don't trust us, technically you can also use firewall rules to block internet access (or monitor network and see what Obsidian is doing).

Re: Show HN: Obsidian – A knowledge base that works on local Markdown files

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I think Roam's graph is flawed, but it's much better that Obsidian's, which you can't even zoom out of. Also Conaw experiments with some neat things like to-do lists that double as backlinks, Kanban boards, Pomodoro timer (ok that's overkill but it was added recently anyway). Daily note-taking is also pretty streamlined in Roam with new notes created every day that can be referred to in a neat fashion, and perhaps al…

Interested in hearing more about the graph view! As of the latest release our graph view can be zoomed in and out, and we've rewritten it to generate the graph with WebGL rather than SVG, so it's a lot more performant for 1,000+ notes.

Love it. Would also love to be able to search/filter in the graph view!

Re: Show HN: Obsidian – A knowledge base that works on local Markdown files

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I was actually using Joplin for the past year after migrating to evernote. I really liked it but am now migrating to something with a little more flexibility around structuring. Thinking to structure it around hugo.

I'm checking out Joplin on this suggestion. Couple of questions - In what way did you use it? And what were your problems with it?

As the other commenter noted Joplin is a desktop application that syncs (over E2EE) if you like to other machines via gdrive/dropbox/nextcloud etc.

I was using it via nextcloud and it worked perfectly for what it was. The web clipper also did a great job of snatching simplified versions of web pages.

What killed it for me was just my expanding desires. I want to things like

- view my knowledge base from my work machine without downloading the whole knowledge base to it. - Be able to search my notes AND all the books i've read. I tried using pandoc to go epub to md but it was too clunky and the searchability within notes wasn't great.

If I was still using it as a drop in replacement for evernote I think it would be great, but to go beyond that starts to stretch the seams a bit.

I also second looking at github's awesome-selfhosted.

Re: Show HN: Obsidian – A knowledge base that works on local Markdown files

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As several people have pointed out, both the "Personal" and "Catalyst" licenses are intended for personal use only, making this quite an expensive product should I want to use it for work as well. But in the full license text, there seems to be an even more problematic phrasing: > The use of OBSIDIAN for the exercise of your own trade or profession (...) does not qualify as personal use. I would interpret this to mea…

If we're internet armchair lawyering then I'd point out that a carpenter building something is "exercising their trade or profession" but a carpenter reading a textbook or watching a how-to video is not. Analogously, a salaried software developer learning something and taking notes on their own time would be in the clear but a freelance developer tracking their projects or clients would be in violation. What's not cl…

What about a carpenter testing out new techniques in their garage and taking notes as they go - are they exercising their trade?

Re: Show HN: Obsidian – A knowledge base that works on local Markdown files

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As several people have pointed out, both the "Personal" and "Catalyst" licenses are intended for personal use only, making this quite an expensive product should I want to use it for work as well. But in the full license text, there seems to be an even more problematic phrasing: > The use of OBSIDIAN for the exercise of your own trade or profession (...) does not qualify as personal use. I would interpret this to mea…

Hi there! Sorry it's our first time doing a license like this. If I understand correctly, licenses are usually written more strictly for legal purposes, but in my opinion your use case sounds like it should belong to personal use. If anyone has pointers for us to make the license text more clear, please let me know!

The simple answer is: don't write your own software license, because if you're not a lawyer (or if you're a lawyer not specialized in this area of law), you'll get it wrong.

Re: Show HN: Obsidian – A knowledge base that works on local Markdown files

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As several people have pointed out, both the "Personal" and "Catalyst" licenses are intended for personal use only, making this quite an expensive product should I want to use it for work as well. But in the full license text, there seems to be an even more problematic phrasing: > The use of OBSIDIAN for the exercise of your own trade or profession (...) does not qualify as personal use. I would interpret this to mea…

Commercial license is 50$ per year. Not even 5 bucks per month. I do not think this qualifies as "expensive", especially if you intend to use it for work related stuff

I disagree. $50 for note taking app only is expensive compared to something like Google Docs which does much more functionality and includes cloud storage.

The product is applicable to anyone who needs a knowledge base so it’s $50/employee and that adds up quickly.

While the developer is free to charge whatever they like, I don’t like the trend of these products priced based on people thinking $50 isn’t that much and that spiraling into what should be a one time fee to every piece of software being $50/year forever.

This reminds me of the 4 hour workweek where there’s a plan to create recurring streams of revenue for little to no work.

I think the amount of time put into this product doesn’t warrant that price. Even though I think it’s a really neat product.

Re: Show HN: Obsidian – A knowledge base that works on local Markdown files

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Why is it that most of this apps are all following the same road feature-road? Some markup-language and a preview or a low richtext-mode and some simple filesystem-like organisation or even worse. The better ones have sometimes ability for internal linking or nowadays alternate views like graphs. More and more comes some basic plugin-support, mostly for editing or simple stuff, but hardly more. How is it that none of…

Could you elaborate what you have in mind as automation? Context: I'm working on a document editor that can resurface relevant information across different sources (docs, notes, emails,chats) while writing a document.

Notes in an application are just semi-structured databases. There is the structure of how they are saved, how they relate, but also the data they contain. Apps could offer ways to quer notes by certain constrains, like any other database, but also tools to parse the content into a generic data-structure and then have views to work on them manual or programatic. Keyword for this would be DOM and structured editing.

Usually a document has an internal structure to some degree, like header and body, different paragraphs, sentences and blocks, etc. For some welldefinend formats like there is the DOM (socument object model), but this is something limited to specific formats and purpose. Why not give people thenability ro parae data as they which and then have tools working on it manuel or programatic?

Personally I use some ancient outliner for notes which has a very open scripting-support. It's really nasty garbage and quite limited. But it gives me a tree which is kind of a database and the ability to run scripts over the whole tree and manipulate individual notes.

I use this to import documents or whole folders, break it into pieces, transform the tree by hand or with a script and then export the document again. This is very handy, especially the ability to explore the structure and change by hand when neccessary. For notes this is helpful because I can mass-change them, add properties, change content as I wish and so on.

Though, this is also quite limited because at the end its just an outline with a text-view, not more UI. And alls automation must be written by myself. A proper community could biold new tools, views, parsers, exporters and other automations. But for some reason, automation is hardly used in this space. Emacs org-mode is the only working in that area. But well, it's, emacs..

Re: Show HN: Obsidian – A knowledge base that works on local Markdown files

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Four bits of feedback:

1. How do I select the font to use? The variable-width default font feels entirely out of place for me with Markdown.

2. This could dearly use integration with Prettier (https://prettier.io) or a similar tool for those of us fussy with formatting details.

3. The lack of Multimarkdown syntax like cross-references (http://fletcher.github.io/MultiMarkdown-5/cross-references.h...) is painful for those of us with elaborate note-keeping. It's doubly painful that Obsidian apparently has its own invented syntax instead of using what's already been around for years and years with MMD.

4. How in the world do I link between files? Nothing I do works, and there's no help document and not even a "copy as link" on the right click menu.

Re: Show HN: Obsidian – A knowledge base that works on local Markdown files

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I would not write my own license. I'd really recommend you get a lawyer look over the text you have (that shouldn't be too expensive, it's a one time cost), or look at existing ones that are actually written by lawyers. For a public license (to restrict commercial use), I'd recommend both LicenseZero Prosperity ( https://prosperitylicense.com/versions/3.0.0 ) and the Polyform licenses ( https://polyformproject.org/ )…

Obsidian folks: please don't use any of the aforementioned licenses. The reality is that they're _not_ a good fit (although the author would probably love to get you as a client to handle your EULA and convince you to use one of the others for your eventually-open-source plans, and that would be an even worse idea).

Give them an alternative?
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