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Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Re: Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Post by xienze »

ndnichols wrote: post #5

This sounds awesome and exactly like the easy and safe on-ramp to OpenClaw that I've been looking for! I want to believe. Two questions as a potential user who knows the gist of OpenClaw but has been afraid to try it: 1. I don't understand how the two consumption credits play into the total cost of ownership. E.g. how long will $20 of Orthogonal credits last me? I have no idea what it will actually cost to use Klaus/…

> safe on-ramp to OpenClaw

IMO I don't think the "OpenClaw has root access to your machine" angle is the thing you should worry that much about. You can put your OpenClaw on a VM, behind a firewall and three VPNs but if it's got your Google, AWS, GitHub, etc. credentials you've still got a lot to worry about. And honestly, I think malicious actors are much more interested in those credentials than wiping out your machine.

I'm honestly kind of surprised everyone neglects to think about that aspect and is instead more concerned with "what if it can delete my files."

Re: Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Post by jimbob45 »

TheDong wrote: post #7
ndnichols wrote: post #5

This sounds awesome and exactly like the easy and safe on-ramp to OpenClaw that I've been looking for! I want to believe. Two questions as a potential user who knows the gist of OpenClaw but has been afraid to try it: 1. I don't understand how the two consumption credits play into the total cost of ownership. E.g. how long will $20 of Orthogonal credits last me? I have no idea what it will actually cost to use Klaus/…

The cost of ownership for an OpenClaw, and how many credits you'll use, is really hard to estimate since it depends so wildly on what you do. I can give you an openclaw instruction that will burn over $20k worth of credits in a matter of hours. You could also not talk to your claw at all for the entire month, setup no crons / reoccurring activities / webhooks / etc, and get a bill of under $1 for token usage. My usag…

Would having a locally-hosted model offset any of these costs?

Re: Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Post by baileywickham »

sealthedeal wrote: post #20

Is this not just Claude Code? Genuinely hoping someone could spell it out for me

Claude Code is awesome, I use it all day, every day. OpenClaw is similar but not the same. I think if all you do is write code, CC is probably best for you.

OpenClaw is interesting because it does a lot of things ok, but it was the first to do so. It will chat with you in Telegram/messages which is small but surprisingly interesting. It handles scheduled tasks. The open source community is huge, clawhub is very useful for out of the box skills. It's self building and self modifying.

Re: Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Post by webpolis »

nullcathedral wrote: post #8

Do you run a dedicated "AI SRE" instance for each customer or how do you ensure there is no potential for cross-contamination or data leakage across customers? Basically how do you make sure your "AI SRE" does not deviate from it's task and cause mayhem in the VM, or worse. Exfiltrates secrets, or other nasty things? :)

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Re: Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Post by Tharre »

I don't get it. The point of OpenClaw is it's supposed to be an assistant, helping you with whatever random tasks you happen to have, in natural language. But for that to work, it has to have access to your personal data, your calendar, your emails, your credit card, etc., no?

Are there other tasks that people commonly want to run, that don't require this, that I'm not aware of? If so I'd love to hear about them.

The ClawBert thing makes a lot more sense to me, but implementing this with just a Claude Code instance again seems like a really easy way to get pwned. Without a human in the loop and heavy sandboxing, a agent can just get prompt injected by some user-controlled log or database entry and leak your entire database and whatever else it has access to.

Re: Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Post by nonameiguess »

Acknowledging the reality of history and business here that there's a 99% chance you don't exist in a few years, I would encourage you nonetheless to break EC2 and AWS in every single way you can possibly imagine and in ways you can't, obviously not in your customer account, but in a separate one. I was doing consulting services for a machine learning company that sold pre-configured EC2s and associated data infra to third-party researchers at a markup and basically stood up and ran their whole environment for about two years. Networking is probably the most frustrating thing you'll ever encounter and beware when they change their APIs and parameters that used to default to null no longer do. It's especially fun when the Linux kernel on the hypervisors you can't see messes with your packets.

Re: Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Post by raizer88 »

scosman wrote: post #22

What's the best "docker with openclaw" currently available? I have my own computers to run it on (I don't need a server). I want to play around, but containerized to avoid the security risk of MacOS app. There seem to be about 20 options, and new ones every day. Any consensus on the best few are, and their tradeoffs?

I am still searching for a compose up -d to this day, but without success. And the other poster want me to create a k8s cluster for a bot?!?!

Re: Show HN: Klaus – OpenClaw on a VM, batteries included

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Post by scosman »

raizer88 wrote: post #39
scosman wrote: post #22

What's the best "docker with openclaw" currently available? I have my own computers to run it on (I don't need a server). I want to play around, but containerized to avoid the security risk of MacOS app. There seem to be about 20 options, and new ones every day. Any consensus on the best few are, and their tradeoffs?

I am still searching for a compose up -d to this day, but without success. And the other poster want me to create a k8s cluster for a bot?!?!

right? From what I can tell it really needs MacOS, so alts are really parallel implementations (nanoClaw, etc).
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