This is very cool, one piece of feedback: watching the table as the AI plays while seeing the reasoning is difficult as they're on other sides of the screen. It could be nice to have the reasoning show up next to the players as they make their moves.
Show HN: Play poker with LLMs, or watch them play against each other
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Re: Show HN: Play poker with LLMs, or watch them play against each other
#32I used to play professionally, and I still play in the casinos. These LLMs are playing better than most human players I encounter (low limits). They're kinda bad, but not as criminally bad as the humans.
OK so you know how it goes in poker and I should probably read the literature ... How much of a session is based on "reading players" vs "playing the odds"? What I am getting at, is how different is poker than say roulette or blackjack? My initial thoughts are that poker such as TX hold 'em is not a game offered in a casino, so it must be mostly indeterminate. I imagine that the casino versions of poker are not TXHT.…
> My initial thoughts are that poker such as TX hold 'em is not a game offered in a casino
Why not? Because you think it's a game where the casino can lose?
If so it's not an issue, as casinos that provide poker take "fees" from the stakes. Like how stock exchanges work: there are people making or losing money from stock market, but exchanges are always making profit.
Re: Show HN: Play poker with LLMs, or watch them play against each other
#33I used to play professionally, and I still play in the casinos. These LLMs are playing better than most human players I encounter (low limits). They're kinda bad, but not as criminally bad as the humans.
lol what? I just watched Grok fold pocket jacks preflop, no raise/limps ahead.
Re: Show HN: Play poker with LLMs, or watch them play against each other
#34Can we chuck a nash equilibrium player in too?
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#35I'm not an expert, but as I understand it there are existing solvers for poker/holdem? Perhaps one of the players could be a traditional solver to see how the LLMs fare against those?
The solvers don't typically work in real time, I don't think. They take a while to crunch a hand.
"Solvers" normally means algorithms which aim to produce some mathematically optimal (given certain assumptions) behaviour.
There are other poker playing programs [0] - what we called AI before large language models were a thing - which achieve superhuman performance in real time in this format. They would crush the LLMs here. I don't know what's publicly available though.
Re: Show HN: Play poker with LLMs, or watch them play against each other
#36I used to play professionally, and I still play in the casinos. These LLMs are playing better than most human players I encounter (low limits). They're kinda bad, but not as criminally bad as the humans.
lol what? I just watched Grok fold pocket jacks preflop, no raise/limps ahead.
Grok knows that pocket Jacks are a fast way to go broke.
Re: Show HN: Play poker with LLMs, or watch them play against each other
#37Why are there 2 Claude Players ?
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#38Why not texasholdllm.com?!
Re: Show HN: Play poker with LLMs, or watch them play against each other
#39Would be amusing if the LLMs could achieve a steady state where nobody definitively wins or loses between each other.
That is, good enough to compete amongst each other but not good enough to for one to win.
Re: Show HN: Play poker with LLMs, or watch them play against each other
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does a poker solver select bet size? Doesn't this depend on posteriors on the opponent's 'policy' + hand estimation?
Typically when you run a simulation on a hand, you give it some bet size options. To limit the scope of what it has to simulate. It's unlikely they're perfect, but there's very small differences in EV betting 100% vs 101.6% or whatever.
Not only to limit the scope of what it has to simulate, but only a certain number of bet sizes is practical for a human to implement in their strategy.