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Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

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Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

#31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, it is pretty much just a better frontend for existing search. I want to build my own index and ranking algorithm in the future, but sadly it's quite resource intensive so it will depend on financial viability a bit in terms of timeframe.

So it's not a search engine, it's a frontend for a search engine.

Sure, would've made for a chunky post title tho :P

Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, it is pretty much just a better frontend for existing search. I want to build my own index and ranking algorithm in the future, but sadly it's quite resource intensive so it will depend on financial viability a bit in terms of timeframe.

So it's not a search engine, it's a frontend for a search engine.

You can just turn off the AI feature in Brave search so it’s sort of extra pointless.

It’s possibly worth pointing out that the about page doesn’t offer any indicator that this is an actual nonprofit entity from a legal standpoint, so at this point I have to assume it’s just a sole proprietorship that is pinky promising to become a non-profit.

In that sense I’m quite happy “donating” to Kagi to provide a stable and supported product from a company with employees.

Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's not a search engine, it's a frontend for a search engine.

You can just turn off the AI feature in Brave search so it’s sort of extra pointless. It’s possibly worth pointing out that the about page doesn’t offer any indicator that this is an actual nonprofit entity from a legal standpoint, so at this point I have to assume it’s just a sole proprietorship that is pinky promising to become a non-profit. In that sense I’m quite happy “donating” to Kagi to provide a stable and s…

That's fair enough. For the record I do intend to apply for a non-profit official entity. I would say it still has a role as opposed to Brave considering the lack of advertising though.

Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

#35

I get this error anytime I search anything. Error loading search results. Please try again. SyntaxError: JSON.parse: unexpected keyword at line 1 column 1 of the JSON data

I see, that is odd and I haven't run into that yet, thank you! I'll have a look into it and try to reproduce the issue, which browser+OS are you on?

Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

#36

Right now it seems like the project is just a thin wrapper over Brave Search. Building a complete search engine is way harder than that. You could look into using https://github.com/MarginaliaSearch/MarginaliaSearch if you want to run a real search index - https://marginalia-search.com/ is powered by it.

Yup, it is pretty much just a better frontend for existing search. I want to build my own index and ranking algorithm in the future, but sadly it's quite resource intensive so it will depend on financial viability a bit in terms of timeframe.

There's tons of these frontends, including SearXNG and proprietary (but very good) Kagi. Kagi are working on their own index; this will be their meat.

I am convinced LLMs are the way forward for searching, with a caveat: what they summarize isn't very relevant (it is overrated). It just gives a (hopefully accurate) semantic context. What matters is the sources it directs to. These are your links normally on top of ypur search query.

Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

#37
Interesting project. Thanks for sharing.

I am also a fan of DDG bangs and I see two missing features:

1. DDG supports bangs at any place in the query (even in the middle of it). I can search "topic !wiki" and it will work as expected.

2. DDG also supports following the first result in a query if a bare '!' is present in the query. Searching " hacker news !" will land me in the actual website without having to click anything in the results page.

Maybe you can consider adding these.

Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

#38

I'm in no way an expert, but IMO there is a major misconception in the free-ish software community that profit should be at most secondary to offering a fair and as good as sustainably possible product. I strongly disagree with this. IMO developers of free-ish as in freedom products OWE it, not only to themselves, but their community to be as profitable as possible within the rules they think that should be followed…

> developers of free-ish as in freedom products OWE it, not only to themselves, but their community to be as profitable as possible Wikipedia seems to do just fine without. Commercializing a product is a whole other field, and it's not reasonable to expect everyone to be good at that, and not reasonable to expect developers to all take on a second job of commercializing their hobby projects. Why don't YOU commerciali…

> Wikipedia seems to do just fine without.

No, they still pay fair wage, and I would trust it more if it pays fair wage to people spending their time on the project(including the creator).

Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

#39

I'm in no way an expert, but IMO there is a major misconception in the free-ish software community that profit should be at most secondary to offering a fair and as good as sustainably possible product. I strongly disagree with this. IMO developers of free-ish as in freedom products OWE it, not only to themselves, but their community to be as profitable as possible within the rules they think that should be followed…

This is a really interesting view, but I'm not sure I agree. So many amazing projects are truly free without the goal of profit yet their maintainers still do amazing work. I feel like part of the reason this works is because often the load is split between several maintainers (of which I hope to onboard soon, and have one or two offers already from people to contribute) and also the fact it's genuinely something enj…

Examples? If you are going to say something like linux, almost every developer gets paid to contribute to linux(I remember 95% commits have company attribution). Same with postgres etc.
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