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Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by HWR_14 »

guitarlimeo wrote: post #2

This makes sense, but I guess adblockers could just start loading the data and not show it to the user?

You would still get the resources loading. So both the extra usage of a metered/limited bandwidth and the tracking.

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by sdflhasjd »

soco wrote: post #20

We're all complaining and blaming the big corporations for the pitiful state the internet got to be now but seems we are all contributing our little to bring it even lower. Because corporations pay, I know, but we are the ones pulling the trigger.

Aren't we all paying for it anyway when we buy products from companies that spend that money on advertising?

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by CoastalCoder »

lakomen wrote: post #12

Just once and for all understand, people who do not want to see ads and you force ads on them, will not come to your site. All you're doing is making the user experience worse and decreasing your site's worth. And people will remember who was so rude to them. I've been there. Don't do it.

I'd like this sentiment to be true, but do we have good empirical evidence for/against it?

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by xnx »

hedora wrote: post #4

Sounds like it might make sense to drop this early hints feature (whatever it is). I wonder how much longer it will be before the next major escalation happens with ad blockers. I can imagine mainstream browsers that fetch unmodified pages and click ads in the background (do subvert pay per click ad business models and make it harder to compute targeting metrics), but then display an ad/tracking-free version in a sep…

Meta and Apple are pushing their AR (advertising required) goggles because they are a locked-down systems where it is even more difficult to block ads.

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by travoc »

helpmefindpurp wrote: post #22
flohofwoe wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet was just fine before it was turned into an ad delivery platform.

If you do not like the ads, just stop visiting sites that show ads...

Are you OK if I just stop viewing the ads?

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by mvkel »

flohofwoe wrote: post #21
soco wrote: post #20

We're all complaining and blaming the big corporations for the pitiful state the internet got to be now but seems we are all contributing our little to bring it even lower. Because corporations pay, I know, but we are the ones pulling the trigger.

The internet was just fine before it was turned into an ad delivery platform.

What year would that have been? The first dot com boom and bust was entirely ad-driven, and before that, the internet wasn't much of an internet.

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by MattGaiser »

bcye wrote: post #29
helpmefindpurp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you do not like the ads, just stop visiting sites that show ads...

If there is competition offering ad-free services, this would be an option. But for large parts, there isn't.

You can buy ad free services for a lot of them. Few pay.

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by Mindwipe »

guitarlimeo wrote: post #5
hedora wrote: post #4

Sounds like it might make sense to drop this early hints feature (whatever it is). I wonder how much longer it will be before the next major escalation happens with ad blockers. I can imagine mainstream browsers that fetch unmodified pages and click ads in the background (do subvert pay per click ad business models and make it harder to compute targeting metrics), but then display an ad/tracking-free version in a sep…

As far as I know, current ad blockers can't block ads from Widevine (DRM protected) streams, so I guess it's only a matter of time until Chromium team comes up with Widevine for webpages and then it's game over for normal consumers.

> As far as I know, current ad blockers can't block ads from Widevine (DRM protected) streams, so I guess it's only a matter of time until Chromium team comes up with Widevine for webpages and then it's game over for normal consumers.

Only where the the adverts are embedded with an encrypted single stream.

Hard to do targeted advertising that way though.

It is a lever that you can pull that's better than nothing though.

Re: Show HN: Detecting adblock, without JavaScript, by abusing HTTP 103 responses

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Post by deadbabe »

SMS is the next big frontier for ads, every few messages with someone you can see a little ad about something related to your conversations. Or if a conversation has gone stale and someone hasn’t replied in several days, inject an ad to wake it back up.
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