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Re: Show HN: Let's Build AI

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Post by hk__2 »

aprxi wrote: post #7
3abiton wrote: post #6

How is this different than AI Awesome lists?

Author here. Thanks for asking. One key objective is not to be yet another linksite, but add utility by providing direct shortcuts to code, docs, api references etc. next to the main link.

> One key objective is not to be yet another linksite, but add utility by providing direct shortcuts to code, docs, api references etc. next to the main link.

Is this a need people have? I would use letsbuild.ai to discover projects and check their homepage/documentation, but once I know a given project I know where to find its docs (or search for " docs" on Google).

Re: Show HN: Let's Build AI

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Post by patwolf »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #9

I'm currrently re-reading Jurassic Park, and I can't help but wonder whether we are committing the same mistakes with AI as the scientists in the book... AI seems to be the ultimate example of "shoot first, ask questions later". We have no idea how AI will effect society, the marginal benefits to people are near-zero (measred in terms of the difference before any adoption to widespread adoption, not incremental inter…

Unfortunately another theme of Michael Crichton books is that because of human hubris and corporate greed, the disaster is inevitable. Regulation and scientific ethics don't matter because humans find a way. Although, maybe that's because it wouldn't make for a very interesting book if government regulation successfully prevented Hammond from experimenting with DNA.

Re: Show HN: Let's Build AI

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Post by monsieurbanana »

visarga wrote: post #25
cnunciato wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The obvious difference, though, is that you knowingly use all of these tools; you get to choose whether and how you use them. AI, like the weapons you point out, can invade your life without you knowing it even exists.

It's actually the other way around with AI. If you want to do web-search, you got to disclose your keywords to a search engine. If you want to post on social networks, you are in plain sight. If you use a mobile phone, you broadcast your location. But if you use your local models, it's more like running a linux box, it is private, customizable and unfiltered. LLMs will reverse the centralization trend we have seen wi…

The amount of people that will run their own models is negligible at the scale of the society. You also can't choose to cut yourself off from the bad outcomes, no matter how much you try. Propaganda 3.0 might not affect you directly, but the political outcomes it produces will.

Re: Show HN: Let's Build AI

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Post by [deleted] »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #26
yard2010 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not cp but I would say it's the scale and timeframes

I came to post the same. Computers and the Internet evolved over decades before what we would recognize as modern computers. Their first use cases were mathematical, scientific, and business oriented (word processing, financial models, etc.). It took decades for mass adoption and wider use cases to evolve. Sure, there were many cracks that had to fixed along the way (malware, botnets, privacy, piracy, distribution ch…

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Re: Show HN: Let's Build AI

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Post by chasd00 »

visarga wrote: post #25
cnunciato wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The obvious difference, though, is that you knowingly use all of these tools; you get to choose whether and how you use them. AI, like the weapons you point out, can invade your life without you knowing it even exists.

It's actually the other way around with AI. If you want to do web-search, you got to disclose your keywords to a search engine. If you want to post on social networks, you are in plain sight. If you use a mobile phone, you broadcast your location. But if you use your local models, it's more like running a linux box, it is private, customizable and unfiltered. LLMs will reverse the centralization trend we have seen wi…

> But if you use your local models, it's more like running a linux box, it is private, customizable and unfiltered. LLMs will reverse the centralization trend we have seen with search and social. They can create a "safe space", "a room of one's own" where we can be creative and unrestricted.

i really like this idea too. Running LLMs locally reminds me of running Linux locally, it wasn't full on UNIX but it as close to a real operating system regular people could get. Maybe the LLMs you can run at home aren't the bleeding edge but they're as close as you can get. Notice how the technology companies are already lobbying authorities hard to try and keep LLMs only under their control. ..hosted in their 'cloud' and accessible only by paying their subscription. The generation that created the OSS movement and the best success stories, GNU and Linux, are doing their best to make sure it never happens again.

edit: fixed some bad grammar

Re: Show HN: Let's Build AI

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Post by visarga »

monsieurbanana wrote: post #34
visarga wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually the other way around with AI. If you want to do web-search, you got to disclose your keywords to a search engine. If you want to post on social networks, you are in plain sight. If you use a mobile phone, you broadcast your location. But if you use your local models, it's more like running a linux box, it is private, customizable and unfiltered. LLMs will reverse the centralization trend we have seen wi…

The amount of people that will run their own models is negligible at the scale of the society. You also can't choose to cut yourself off from the bad outcomes, no matter how much you try. Propaganda 3.0 might not affect you directly, but the political outcomes it produces will.

It will become mainstream in a few years when every laptop, cellphone, web browser or operating system will sport local LLMs. For now it is a bit hard, but only a bit.

Re: Show HN: Let's Build AI

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Post by smallmancontrov »

patwolf wrote: post #32
vouaobrasil wrote: post #9

I'm currrently re-reading Jurassic Park, and I can't help but wonder whether we are committing the same mistakes with AI as the scientists in the book... AI seems to be the ultimate example of "shoot first, ask questions later". We have no idea how AI will effect society, the marginal benefits to people are near-zero (measred in terms of the difference before any adoption to widespread adoption, not incremental inter…

Unfortunately another theme of Michael Crichton books is that because of human hubris and corporate greed, the disaster is inevitable. Regulation and scientific ethics don't matter because humans find a way. Although, maybe that's because it wouldn't make for a very interesting book if government regulation successfully prevented Hammond from experimenting with DNA.

The vibe I got from the book was not one of inevitability, more "if Hammond had actually spared no expense on any single one of these dominos, the lot of them would not have fallen together." Admittedly it's been a while, but I specifically remember being miffed at the whole "chaos theory dictates that dinosaurs will find a way to escape every zoo" thing, which turned a morality story about cutting corners into a mash of nonsense. Chaos dictates no such thing, of course, but the nature of entertainment dictates that if the dinos don't get out then you and I won't pay to see the movie, so yeah, at the end of the day we really ought to be careful about what inferences we draw from entertainment where the conclusion is fixed.

Re: Show HN: Let's Build AI

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Post by mistermann »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #16
npteljes wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another kind of cautionary tale could be that someone could, but doesn't advance something, because of moral reasons, and then someone else goes ahead and does it anyways. One of such tales is Ányos Jedlik, who might have had a lead in the creation of the electric motor and the dynamo, but we'll never truly know, as he was not the kind of person to go ahead and patent and build a business. Nevertheless, both were inv…

> What you can decide is what part you want of it. Or, you can build a revolution to take it down...

Have you any specific ideas?

Would you mind sharing what sort of programming you have skills in?

Re: Show HN: Let's Build AI

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Post by npteljes »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #16
npteljes wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another kind of cautionary tale could be that someone could, but doesn't advance something, because of moral reasons, and then someone else goes ahead and does it anyways. One of such tales is Ányos Jedlik, who might have had a lead in the creation of the electric motor and the dynamo, but we'll never truly know, as he was not the kind of person to go ahead and patent and build a business. Nevertheless, both were inv…

> What you can decide is what part you want of it. Or, you can build a revolution to take it down...

I don't think that can happen. A revolution, and a new thing's concept are not in the same realm. Especially true if the thing has military implications. You just don't put that genie back to the bottle. Whatever do you, and I mean literally what ever, the thing will come to life. If it's socially acceptable, then the science magazines will hype about it, if not, it will be done in a laboratory that's not even on maps.
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