Email snooze is, for me, a standard requirement for any email tool. I tried the free trial but cancelled.
Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS
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Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS
#32Over all, I like how it looks, but the price seems high. $3 a month is almost as much as I pay for email service. Plus it seems weird to double drip. I’m already subscribed to you for the email service and you want me to almost double that price for a client to use it? Will the existing Fastmail app be deprecated to force folks to the new subscription app?
$3/month? Seriously? Does nobody here see the irony of being a community of people who make their income working in software that refuses to pay even $3/month for software? Ditto for the universal hatred of ad-based business models. This is why the consumer market for software is basically non-existent. Consumers value their time at $0 so they get free tools subsidized by intrusive ads or expensive hardware. Business…
Subscription models are cancer. Sell me a license for a flat cost and stop wasting my time.
Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS
#33I would be happy to pay $10 for this but definitely not a monthly subscription when Mail.app is free.
Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
$3/month? Seriously? Does nobody here see the irony of being a community of people who make their income working in software that refuses to pay even $3/month for software? Ditto for the universal hatred of ad-based business models. This is why the consumer market for software is basically non-existent. Consumers value their time at $0 so they get free tools subsidized by intrusive ads or expensive hardware. Business…
Subscription models are cancer. Sell me a license for a flat cost and stop wasting my time.
Where do you work?
How does the business that pays your salary make its money?
Do they pay you for your efforts on a subscription based model or a one time-payment + ownership model?
Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS
#35It is very interesting, but there are plenty of stoppers for me:
1. Subscription model. I will be willing to pay even $250 for a good email client, that is superior to the native macOS client. If it really adds more features that I need. Meaning, I can use mostly all the email related features offered by Fastmail. But I am not willing to support subscription models.
2. No iOS client. I use email on macOS and iOS. Not having support for iOS is a dealbreaker. I want the same client.
3. No trial. As it seems like. I actually tried to download the app. There is a Sign-In page with a disabled Sign In button. I guess I need to subscribe to try it. I can spare $3, but I don't want to support subscription models. Seriously, give me an option to try it for 14–30 days, I will pay for it $100-$200, and you can ask me to pay you again for an upgrade in 3–4 years.
4. The main reason I don't want to try it, also because I am sure, there are probably some nice features, but at the same time, there are most likely so many issues with integrations between other apps. Like links from Reminders to the Mail client, or from Notes to the Mail client. And based on the roadmap [1] it seems like this is mostly MVP product.
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Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS
#36My number one requirement for any email interface is that it easily shows the "conversation history" of any contact I'm seeing. This saves me so much time, with the current software I use. I don't love my current software, though, so I'm always on the lookout for new options. Is this a planned feature?
Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS
#37Does this work offline? Fastmail’s first party iOS app has such an amazing lack of offline functionality that I’m seriously considering canceling my Fastmail subscription. (Also the lack of threading is getting old.)
Yeah good question. I do a lot of email on planes and travel where there is no internet. In fact I refuse to use any software that isn’t offline first these days.
I was a Fastmail customer for many years but moved to apple’s iCloud+ when they introduced custom domain support as that works entirely offline on all my devices. Also that gives iPhone/mac integrated contacts and calendars with zero hassle that actually syncs to everything properly. It’s cheaper per seat as well (£25 a month for that plus Apple Music for 6 people a month). No brainer.
Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS
#38Over all, I like how it looks, but the price seems high. $3 a month is almost as much as I pay for email service. Plus it seems weird to double drip. I’m already subscribed to you for the email service and you want me to almost double that price for a client to use it? Will the existing Fastmail app be deprecated to force folks to the new subscription app?
$3/month? Seriously? Does nobody here see the irony of being a community of people who make their income working in software that refuses to pay even $3/month for software? Ditto for the universal hatred of ad-based business models. This is why the consumer market for software is basically non-existent. Consumers value their time at $0 so they get free tools subsidized by intrusive ads or expensive hardware. Business…
It feels like this product isn't a good fit for people who have a free mail client that they are happy with. The probably describes a large portion of HN readers. But there are people who will be happy to pay $3 per month for something that does exactly what they need.
Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS
#39This looks good, but I'm not clear why it's a subscription. I'm happy to pay for upgrades when a new version with new features is offered; and I'm happy to not pay if the new version isn't compelling enough. (Sometimes support for major OS upgrades is enough of a feature.) I'm increasingly disinclined to feed the subscription-based software economy, especially for the personal tools I use.
Most macOS email apps do subscription pricing these days. Airmail, Spark, Mimestream… I wonder why that is.
Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a reworked email protocol, created by fastmail. Basically email over json (send + receive) instead of imap+smtp. https://jmap.io/
Got it. Fuck that. JSON has no part in an email stack. Have we not learned from our failures as a species. Edit: I've got 99 problems and 98 of them are JSON on a regular basis. Poor parsers, problems dealing with numeric values, terrible terrible schema support, poor encapsulation support, large things attached to it in base64 (difficult to stream on most parsers), difficult to read without external tools which actu…
Yeah json is primitive, because it is (was, but still is) just JavaScript errr ECMAScript 3.
All your points are valid, but it’s a lot better than xml’s api, confusing whitespacing/attr/element, and huge complexity.
Simple is better, and json is def. lacking in some points, but in general it’s easier to work with than xml (or at least getting started with)