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Re: Show HN: Sink or Ship - ship your project in time, or else...

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Did you ship on time?

Sadly no, I had to adjust the ship time. bearwithclaws is now $5 richer. But we shipped!

I just thought that people might like the idea more if 70% of their penalty went to a hacker-friendly cause (EFF or maybe charity:water).

Then it's less of a "we are going to love it so much every time you fail" feeling. More jovial and positive, less opportunist.

Re: Show HN: Sink or Ship - ship your project in time, or else...

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There's no way I'd pledge to pay a significant enough amount of money to motivate me to some random people who hacked together a fairly simple app. On the other hand, I would consider pledging the money to a charity, and giving a small cut to service that facilitates it.

Hey Tom!

The app doesn't work this way (pledge money). It's simply a tweet scheduler which charges $5 to make changes every time.

Re: Show HN: Sink or Ship - ship your project in time, or else...

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There's no way I'd pledge to pay a significant enough amount of money to motivate me to some random people who hacked together a fairly simple app. On the other hand, I would consider pledging the money to a charity, and giving a small cut to service that facilitates it.

Totally agreed. I've been working on a project that uses a similar model. You get charged a small fee for not meeting a certain requirement, and anything above what is needed to keep the site running goes to charity. (Ends up being about 95% to charity).

Also, there is gym-pact.com, which disburses your money to others who do meet their workout requirements.

Re: Show HN: Sink or Ship - ship your project in time, or else...

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There's no way I'd pledge to pay a significant enough amount of money to motivate me to some random people who hacked together a fairly simple app. On the other hand, I would consider pledging the money to a charity, and giving a small cut to service that facilitates it.

Hey Tom! The app doesn't work this way (pledge money). It's simply a tweet scheduler which charges $5 to make changes every time.

I understood that, maybe my terminology was wrong, but you effectively pledge to pay $5 every time your schedule slips.

I'm not sure $5 is enough motivation, and if it were significantly more I'd start to question why I was giving this money to the developers of this app, rather than someone more deserving, like the users who are missing out on using the product, or a charity.

Re: Show HN: Sink or Ship - ship your project in time, or else...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Tom! The app doesn't work this way (pledge money). It's simply a tweet scheduler which charges $5 to make changes every time.

I understood that, maybe my terminology was wrong, but you effectively pledge to pay $5 every time your schedule slips. I'm not sure $5 is enough motivation, and if it were significantly more I'd start to question why I was giving this money to the developers of this app, rather than someone more deserving, like the users who are missing out on using the product, or a charity.

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Re: Show HN: Sink or Ship - ship your project in time, or else...

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This mentality will just encourage fire drills and burnout.

It does nothing towards improving core problems of software development lifecycle planning issues.

I would suggest reading a book like Peopleware, before embarking on public shame or penalties as solutions. These band-aids are almost always self-imposed, and they almost never work.

Re: Show HN: Sink or Ship - ship your project in time, or else...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Tom! The app doesn't work this way (pledge money). It's simply a tweet scheduler which charges $5 to make changes every time.

I understood that, maybe my terminology was wrong, but you effectively pledge to pay $5 every time your schedule slips. I'm not sure $5 is enough motivation, and if it were significantly more I'd start to question why I was giving this money to the developers of this app, rather than someone more deserving, like the users who are missing out on using the product, or a charity.

You have a point.

- $5 is our first attempt on finding the right balance for most people where they would be motivated and wouldn't cheat.

- We definitely thought of giving the money to charity. But we would be more inclined to use the resource to do something really interesting (more or less along the lines with "giving it to someone more deserving"), hopefully to build up a "community of shippers" in long term.

Re: Show HN: Sink or Ship - ship your project in time, or else...

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post #36

This mentality will just encourage fire drills and burnout. It does nothing towards improving core problems of software development lifecycle planning issues. I would suggest reading a book like Peopleware, before embarking on public shame or penalties as solutions. These band-aids are almost always self-imposed, and they almost never work.

This mentality will just encourage fire drills and burnout.

The truth is, we don't know yet. And we definitely didn't try to solve/improve software development lifecycle/plannings.

We built this for people like us: bunch of friends working on fun projects and trying to get it out of the door.

Re: Show HN: Sink or Ship - ship your project in time, or else...

#39
This would be a good idea if the announcement came with the extra cachet of being on time. For example, you could agree to socially promote projects that ship on time, and remove such promotion if it slips. This would need to be curated, though, and so an expensive service (perhaps $50?)
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