Very cool, I’ll give it a spin in my next project
Thank you! :)
Show HN: Serverpod – The Missing Server for Flutter
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Re: Show HN: Serverpod – The Missing Server for Flutter
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Not even that. I'd use Nodejs, Go, C#, etc... which are battle tested, have strong communities, and plenty of support.
Once upon a time, NodeJS, Go and C# weren't battle tested or with support either. "Because we already have one" isn't a great reason not to do something. What this does need is a differentiator over those other languages. Vapor is nice if you already write Swift, which itself is an adopted and heavily used language. Dart isn't, and while Flutter is popular, it's "barely so" relative to the rest of the world. Someone…
Flutter is becoming very popular for building apps. It is likely to have surpassed React Native, and according to Google more than 20% of new apps are created with Flutter today.
Re: Show HN: Serverpod – The Missing Server for Flutter
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The original creator of Flutter actually left Google rather recently and is in the process of building a Dart server project as his next thing. It’s not even at alpha stage yet however it’s VERY new https://github.com/shorebirdtech
I know him, we used to work together at Google. :)
I hope you don't mind me asking this personal question:
I noticed you worked on Flutter at Google for roughly 1 year and then left. What was your motivation? Was there a problem in the Flutter organisation?
Re: Show HN: Serverpod – The Missing Server for Flutter
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It's revolutionary to Dart in the sense that you can use strict typing when communicating with the database. This is very helpful as you get much more help with autocomplete and other language tooling. Granted there are still lots of gaps to fill, but we are surely getting there. The biggest new feature we are working on is database migrations.
I don't really get the whole "if I have to learn more than one programming language my head will explode" thing that junior frontend devs seem to be insisting on for the past few years, why use an immature framework in Dart when I can use a mature framework in an easily learned language and be much more productive after a few weeks?
Could you be more condescending?
Re: Show HN: Serverpod – The Missing Server for Flutter
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It's revolutionary to Dart in the sense that you can use strict typing when communicating with the database. This is very helpful as you get much more help with autocomplete and other language tooling. Granted there are still lots of gaps to fill, but we are surely getting there. The biggest new feature we are working on is database migrations.
I don't really get the whole "if I have to learn more than one programming language my head will explode" thing that junior frontend devs seem to be insisting on for the past few years, why use an immature framework in Dart when I can use a mature framework in an easily learned language and be much more productive after a few weeks?
yeah, you should use javascript /s
Re: Show HN: Serverpod – The Missing Server for Flutter
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Once upon a time, NodeJS, Go and C# weren't battle tested or with support either. "Because we already have one" isn't a great reason not to do something. What this does need is a differentiator over those other languages. Vapor is nice if you already write Swift, which itself is an adopted and heavily used language. Dart isn't, and while Flutter is popular, it's "barely so" relative to the rest of the world. Someone…
Flutter is becoming very popular for building apps. It is likely to have surpassed React Native, and according to Google more than 20% of new apps are created with Flutter today.
I hear that every year around I/O, but I never see stats to back that up. Have you got any? Flutter has been becoming very popular for years, but I don't know anyone who uses it. More than 20% is a neat stat, but how many of the top 10 or 100 apps are Flutter? How many of those 20% roll out to large audiences? How many don't get rewritten?
Re: Show HN: Serverpod – The Missing Server for Flutter
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The main plan is to provide hosting for Serverpod. It's still an open-source project, so you can always host it yourself or on the cloud platform of your choice.
I have not seen any niche companies having success with that business model Our own surveys show, that enterprise users want to host on a platform of their choice. They are not too eager to switch providers and are more unlikely to use your software if it doesn’t run on AWS Knowing that, if you want to capture enterprise users, you should offer a managed version of your product on AWS or GCP
Vercel, Netlify etc are big ones in the webdev world.
Re: Show HN: Serverpod – The Missing Server for Flutter
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I know him, we used to work together at Google. :)
I hope you don't mind me asking this personal question: I noticed you worked on Flutter at Google for roughly 1 year and then left. What was your motivation? Was there a problem in the Flutter organisation?
Working for Google is awesome in many ways and the people at the Flutter team at the time I worked there were nothing less than outstanding.
For me personally, working at Google wasn't my first choice as I ended up there when the startup I worked at before was acquired. I just felt done with the whole Silicon Valley thing and ended up moving back to Sweden. If I'd pick one big company to work for, it would probably be Google.
Re: Show HN: Serverpod – The Missing Server for Flutter
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Flutter is becoming very popular for building apps. It is likely to have surpassed React Native, and according to Google more than 20% of new apps are created with Flutter today.
I hear that every year around I/O, but I never see stats to back that up. Have you got any? Flutter has been becoming very popular for years, but I don't know anyone who uses it. More than 20% is a neat stat, but how many of the top 10 or 100 apps are Flutter? How many of those 20% roll out to large audiences? How many don't get rewritten?
I don't have any exact metrics. GitHub stars are one measure, though I'm not sure how well that is reflecting real-world use:
https://star-history.com/#flutter/flutter&facebook/react-nat...
Anecdotally, I'm running a Flutter Meetup with over a thousand members in Stockholm, so I feel like I have the ear on the ground. From what I see, the use of Flutter has been picking up steadily. For instance, one of Sweden's major banks has recently moved its apps to Flutter (including its web app). To their customers, it still looks exactly the same, so moves like that aren't always visible. Also, it seems like a very large proportion of startups are using Flutter too.
Re: Show HN: Serverpod – The Missing Server for Flutter
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I have not seen any niche companies having success with that business model Our own surveys show, that enterprise users want to host on a platform of their choice. They are not too eager to switch providers and are more unlikely to use your software if it doesn’t run on AWS Knowing that, if you want to capture enterprise users, you should offer a managed version of your product on AWS or GCP
Vercel, Netlify etc are big ones in the webdev world.
Their revenues and market shares are laughable
Netlify revenue is approximately $20M, Vercel’s $25M
AWS revenue is $65B