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Re: Show HN: Rentaflop – Render your Blender projects without sacrificing quality

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Are you also planning to offer other GPU-intensive tasks (e.g., Stable Diffusion)? Seems like an obvious expansion.

It's on our long-term roadmap to offer other services such as scientific computing, monte carlo simulation, AI, etc. One issue that arises from Deep Learning tasks such as stable diffusion is that the various devices in the network need to communicate periodically, especially when training models, which presents problems when the devices are scattered across the globe.

Re: Show HN: Rentaflop – Render your Blender projects without sacrificing quality

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I'm trying to compile a list of all crowd-sourced compute platforms that aren't exclusively for crypto purposes. So far I have: https://vast.ai https://rentaflop.com https://www.sheepit-renderfarm.com Does anyone else know of any others? Thanks!

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Re: Show HN: Rentaflop – Render your Blender projects without sacrificing quality

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for pointing this out! Octane benchmark is a rendering industry standard for pricing hardware. It's useful because when someone launches a rendering job, it doesn't just run on one device, say an RTX 3090 or 1660, but rather on a whole host of devices. Using this benchmark and our pricing of $.0019 per Octane benchmark hour, a 3090 would cost about $1.24/hr. The important thing to remember, and the reason we d…

ok. that makes sense that way but.... if i have a render job, can i know beforehand how much time/octane benchmark hour will it consume?

Great point. We're working on a render pricing estimator that allows you to upload a blend file and get an estimated price back. Until we have this, one way to see the estimated price of your render job is to upload your blend but cut the animation short. For instance, if your animation is 1000 frames, render the first 100 and extrapolate the price by 10x for a rough estimate. Then you can later render the rest by setting the animation in the blend file to only be frames 101-1000.

Re: Show HN: Rentaflop – Render your Blender projects without sacrificing quality

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The big question is the pricing and whether it really does make sense to pay for your service instead of purchasing hardware. Your pricing is $0.0019 per Octane hour. IIUC, that means that an hour of time on an RTX3070 - scoring 400 - costs $0.76. Cost of an RTX3070 right now is about $550 on Amazon and with a TDP of 220W and an average price (in the US) of $0.15/kWh, the total cost will be $550 + * $0.15 * 0.22. Giv…

It seems like you missed the entire part where they're not buying 3070s...

People who already bought 3070s and would otherwise not be using them are providing the compute, so they don't need a realistic breakeven on an entire 3070. They essentially need to breakeven on electricity for the owner.

Also they're not charging .0019 per Octane hour, it's per _ Octanebench hour_. One GPU can provide more than 1 Octanebench hour of compute.

Compare their pricing to the rest of the market and you'll see it's not unreasonably cheap: https://garagefarm.net/blog/garagefarm-net-adds-gpu-renderin...

Re: Show HN: Rentaflop – Render your Blender projects without sacrificing quality

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I'm trying to compile a list of all crowd-sourced compute platforms that aren't exclusively for crypto purposes. So far I have: https://vast.ai https://rentaflop.com https://www.sheepit-renderfarm.com Does anyone else know of any others? Thanks!

Sheepit was fun. Ran a cluster of machines a while ago for just rendering for other artists.

Re: Show HN: Rentaflop – Render your Blender projects without sacrificing quality

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The big question is the pricing and whether it really does make sense to pay for your service instead of purchasing hardware. Your pricing is $0.0019 per Octane hour. IIUC, that means that an hour of time on an RTX3070 - scoring 400 - costs $0.76. Cost of an RTX3070 right now is about $550 on Amazon and with a TDP of 220W and an average price (in the US) of $0.15/kWh, the total cost will be $550 + * $0.15 * 0.22. Giv…

Thank you for your question! We believe our pricing is competitive and tends to be one of our strong points, along with our speed. We charge considerably less than most other rendering services. Our farm will also render your projects much faster than a single RTX 3070 can render them. For artists/studios who do a ton of rendering, it may be worth it for them to buy up many graphics cards and create their own private…

I want to emphasize something here. Artists in general are not technical. Many don’t have the knowledge and skills to build their own render farm. This is why services like yours exist. Don’t listen to people trying to work the economics of build vs buy when a studio doesn’t have the technical chops to run their own. If they did, they would. Some do. Most don’t. If you’re a Disney/Pixar or VFX shop you probably have it. If you are a freelance artist, you probably don’t.

Considering that Blender is being used more and more for high production shots, you’ll be happy services like this exist. At least until you release your feature.

Keep going. Folks who can build their own render farm, will, but the vast majority of artists won’t.

Re: Show HN: Rentaflop – Render your Blender projects without sacrificing quality

#37

For me the most obvious issue with it is that, unlike on a reputable render farm, the confidentiality of renders isn't in any way guaranteed, which is a full stop deal breaker for most professional work. Sure this might work for hobby projects but even on my hobby projects I want to retain control of my own IP. If I used you for professional work I would be breaking some of the terms of pretty much every contract I'v…

While we take measures to secure and bolster data privacy, it's possible for hosts to be malicious. As a result, you should never run workloads containing sensitive or confidential information on rentaflop. In the future, we may decide to offer a special service that renders your work only on rentaflop-owned hardware. With that being said, there are plenty of Blender projects that don't have this requirement, and we…

But David, almost all production work requires NDA and IP protection. This is something you should focus on if you want studio work to utilize your service.

Re: Show HN: Rentaflop – Render your Blender projects without sacrificing quality

#38
This might have changed, but in my experience the big barrier to having a distributed render farm is transferring possibly many gigs of textures and resources (sims, point clouds, etc) to each render agent, not necessarily the render time. If you have to do this each time you hit render, it's a lot. If you keep the files online, where both the client and the render farm can see them, you're reinventing dropbox + all the complexity of a render farm on top of it.

Also for commercial production use many VFX houses have contracts that don't let them send the assets out of house.

This would be great for people doing styles that don't need a ton of assets tho, like procedural-heavy (geonodes) scenes.

But as a hobbyist, I could definitely use something like this, and I'll check it out!

Re: Show HN: Rentaflop – Render your Blender projects without sacrificing quality

#39
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The big question is the pricing and whether it really does make sense to pay for your service instead of purchasing hardware. Your pricing is $0.0019 per Octane hour. IIUC, that means that an hour of time on an RTX3070 - scoring 400 - costs $0.76. Cost of an RTX3070 right now is about $550 on Amazon and with a TDP of 220W and an average price (in the US) of $0.15/kWh, the total cost will be $550 + * $0.15 * 0.22. Giv…

Thank you for your question! We believe our pricing is competitive and tends to be one of our strong points, along with our speed. We charge considerably less than most other rendering services. Our farm will also render your projects much faster than a single RTX 3070 can render them. For artists/studios who do a ton of rendering, it may be worth it for them to buy up many graphics cards and create their own private…

What I mean isn't whether the price is competitive, I believe it absolutely is, what I mean is can you run a profitable and scalable company with that kind of pricing?

Recruiting spare gamers' GPUs is one thing - those people bought the GPU anyway, so as long as you pay more than they pay for power, they're happy - but I imagine that's a relatively small pool of GPUs.

At some point, you'll run out of those people, so I guess what I'm asking is whether the price you charge now is high enough that investors could profitably build and run their own "mining" hardware , while you still get enough of a cut to run your service.

Re: Show HN: Rentaflop – Render your Blender projects without sacrificing quality

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I'm trying to compile a list of all crowd-sourced compute platforms that aren't exclusively for crypto purposes. So far I have: https://vast.ai https://rentaflop.com https://www.sheepit-renderfarm.com Does anyone else know of any others? Thanks!

https://sonm.com/
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