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Re: Show HN: Control your Hyundai car with Python

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Post by fragmede »

the_biot wrote: post #29
fragmede wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're too late. You can't get a non-connected car since about 2016.

In every country the world over? Do you have a source for that?

I don't follow the low end car market outside the US. It's entirely possible that developing countries still have "dumb" cars available, but due to their lack of adherence to US federal safety standards, importing one night as well be impossible for a normal consumer (aka anyone short of Jay Leno).

As far as a cite, here an article that claims 2006 was the tipping point, so even earlier than I remember.

Re: Show HN: Control your Hyundai car with Python

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Post by GenerocUsername »

kyriakos wrote: post #12
anshumankmr wrote: post #7

Thank god we have normal cars as I have never understood the appeal of a smart car since everything a smart car can do can be done with a halfway decent smartphone. * by smart car, I am not talking about self driving cars, I am talking about the gimmick of running some Android and iOS apps on one's car

I use Android auto all the time. Having Google maps on cars dashboard is very useful.

Still requires manufacturers to implement correctly which I found my 2022 Subaru Android auto is locked in landscape so it's essentially half-screen... No way to fix

Re: Show HN: Control your Hyundai car with Python

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Post by jacquesm »

srvmshr wrote: post #8

It reminds me of the slightly funny incident when my brother's boss got stuck midway on the road to his destination, because his Fiskar Karma was having a firmware update

I looked at a company in this space and was quite surprised they never thought to check whether the vehicle was in motion during OTA updates. So much for risk assessment...

Re: Show HN: Control your Hyundai car with Python

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Post by mdp2021 »

the_biot wrote: post #30
mdp2021 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Thank god we have normal cars A disconnected car is a requirement by any parameter of sanity given considerations of security including privacy, within a basic right of rejection of absurdity: but for how long will the "privilege" of avoiding lunacy will be granted? In Europe already one has to have law-mandated (in terms of shipment) hardware modules removed (the "e-call"). For how long non-connected cars will be…

The tragedy is that while it's no doubt possible to remove (or disable) all that tracking junk you don't want from your car, we're still carrying around phones that more often than not are full of tracking crap. And they're even extra useful in cars, since the car's navigation and entertainment systems tend to be crap compared to what phones have.

You can hack and customize a "phone" minicomputer, and I believe you can still find pure cellular telephones with basic OS in case you prefer to keep telephony and personal assistant separate; I am not informed that you can do the same with cars, and I very surely do not want an internet connected door, fridge, vehicle, wife to begin with.

The more reliable it has to be, the least possibly connected you want it.

I am not sure it is so possible to remove or disable the «junk you don't want from your car». Already for the mentioned 'e-call', that law mandated that it has to be installed and cannot be removed by the user - only by the manufacturer. And you will very probably have to struggle to get that done ("We cannot" // "Yes you must" etc). I suppose those vehicles will have a high degree of integration - you cannot just remove pieces.

Re: Show HN: Control your Hyundai car with Python

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Post by dzhiurgis »

mdp2021 wrote: post #37
the_biot wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tragedy is that while it's no doubt possible to remove (or disable) all that tracking junk you don't want from your car, we're still carrying around phones that more often than not are full of tracking crap. And they're even extra useful in cars, since the car's navigation and entertainment systems tend to be crap compared to what phones have.

You can hack and customize a "phone" minicomputer, and I believe you can still find pure cellular telephones with basic OS in case you prefer to keep telephony and personal assistant separate; I am not informed that you can do the same with cars, and I very surely do not want an internet connected door, fridge, vehicle, wife to begin with. The more reliable it has to be, the least possibly connected you want it. I am…

If you do any sort of that you are instantly marking yourself as suspect
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