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Re: Show HN: AI generated Magic The Gathering cards

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Post by Zircom »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #21

This is really cool! I noticed a few things you might be interested in: It looks like there might be issues rendering mana costs that have, e.g., 1GG where it does not render the second G. That is to say, it's rendered but only the barest left edge can be seen. This appears to only be the case if the card's name is sufficiently long (I noticed this with "Bethen, Cenn's Heavenly Sleep"). That being said, I have no ide…

>Exile it at the beginning of the next end step or if it would leave the battlefield [the latter half is redundant with it being a token].

It's not necessarily redundant or useless, there are some cards that will trigger off exiling permanents, or count the number of permanents that have been exiled during the turn to change how powerful an ability is, so if it was destroyed in battle or kill-spelled and instead exiled, it would be more useful than it simply being destroyed unexiled since it would trigger the ability or increase the count of permanents exiled that turn.

Re: Show HN: AI generated Magic The Gathering cards

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Post by iamcurious »

iamcurious wrote: post #32

"Those who cannot get along with humans often make them wizards." Love this text. 2/2 red flying angel with a 4R cost, a bit expensive BUT its ability is pay R and get +1/+0. Damn. https://www.urzas.ai/cards/?card_id=82e1f185-2cfa-4b07-96b5-...

I loved that one, but it also gives broken cards like this though:

text right to cost.

effect is all mangeld up "+1+1/+0" ? "creatures you control gain control of artifcats you control"?

flavor text talks about shuffling hands.

https://www.urzas.ai/cards/?card_id=4ca04b29-f84c-4d48-95d8-...

Re: Show HN: AI generated Magic The Gathering cards

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Post by latexr »

TimPC wrote: post #24
maxverse wrote: post #13

> Foreboding Blast deals 2 damage to target creature and 2 damage to each creature your opponent controls. {1}{R}. That's crazy powerful for 2 mana!

Also you found an error. “Your opponent” is not valid in the language of M:TG it needs to be “target opponent” because “your opponent” is not well defined outside of two-player games.

There are examples of MTG cards referring to a single opponent in old editions[1], digital editions[2], and Un-sets[3].

[1]: https://scryfall.com/card/leg/6/clergy-of-the-holy-nimbus

[2]: https://scryfall.com/card/ymid/14/clone-crafter

[3]: https://scryfall.com/card/ugl/62/gus

Re: Show HN: AI generated Magic The Gathering cards

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Post by snarf21 »

JadoJodo wrote: post #30

https://www.urzas.ai/cards/?card_id=1c9e446b-608b-4b21-a87b-... > Cabal Transfixion - Instant Add {B} for each opponent. “Reveal the top card of your library. You choose a card.” -- Ignore. 1 {B} It's been a while since I played, but flavor text is not actionable, correct? Pretty funny

Correct. While funny, this would be nothing but a rules nightmare and source of arguments for players. Would never happen.

Re: Show HN: AI generated Magic The Gathering cards

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Post by feoren »

JRKrause wrote: post #22

There is a popular discord (PlayEDH) where people play MTG over webcam against one another. Due to the nature of MTG it's important that the deck each player is wielding be properly balanced in power level against each opponent. (For those unfamiliar, it's possible to construct highly efficient, and expensive, MTG decks that trigger game-winning infinite combos within 1-4 turns. There's a continuous scale of deck eff…

I don't feel like this is a good application of predictive networks, but maybe I'm wrong. Tiny changes in wording of a card can make or break an exploitable synergy. You can say "tigers basically look like this, ish" to an image recognizer, but you can't just say "decks that look kinda like this are super strong; decks that look kinda like that are super weak". I'd think the best approach here would be to have an agent just play the deck against other decks a million times with an evolving strategy. I know if you say the term "genetic algorithm" nowadays you get laughed at and branded as an old-fashioned ignoramus who doesn't understand real AI, but sometimes the answer is to get off the bandwagon.

Re: Show HN: AI generated Magic The Gathering cards

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Post by HelloNurse »

iamcurious wrote: post #33
iamcurious wrote: post #32

"Those who cannot get along with humans often make them wizards." Love this text. 2/2 red flying angel with a 4R cost, a bit expensive BUT its ability is pay R and get +1/+0. Damn. https://www.urzas.ai/cards/?card_id=82e1f185-2cfa-4b07-96b5-...

I loved that one, but it also gives broken cards like this though: text right to cost. effect is all mangeld up "+1+1/+0" ? "creatures you control gain control of artifcats you control"? flavor text talks about shuffling hands. https://www.urzas.ai/cards/?card_id=4ca04b29-f84c-4d48-95d8-...

Artifcats are obviously artifact cat creatures; there are currently 12 among real cards.

Re: Show HN: AI generated Magic The Gathering cards

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Post by wyldfire »

JRKrause wrote: post #22

There is a popular discord (PlayEDH) where people play MTG over webcam against one another. Due to the nature of MTG it's important that the deck each player is wielding be properly balanced in power level against each opponent. (For those unfamiliar, it's possible to construct highly efficient, and expensive, MTG decks that trigger game-winning infinite combos within 1-4 turns. There's a continuous scale of deck eff…

I created a (hopelessly incomplete) model of a MtG game and tried to use it to measure deck mana balance dynamically instead of statically. It was such a fun project but a ton of work and eventually I lost interest. I may resurrect it someday.

I had really grand visions of using it and machine learning (reinforcement learning) to have it pick its own decks.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31078151#31079186

Re: Show HN: AI generated Magic The Gathering cards

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Post by kimixa »

chc4 wrote: post #5

There was a very popular Twitter account that was tweeting out a similar concept (starting way back in 2015, even!) https://twitter.com/RoboRosewater LoadingReadyRun, a very popular MTG YouTube channel, even did a cube draft using only cards that were generated by RoboRosewater that I thought was funny to watch https://youtu.be/UuG5YLbwsQk

Just last week they did another with a new set

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbqS7PXKFhc

This was created by people on the MTG Neural Net Discord - if you're interested it might be worth checking out https://discord.gg/EH4BTDk

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