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Re: Show HN: Elestio – Managed platform for over 150 open-source software stacks

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Post by pachico »

js4ever wrote: post #29
pachico wrote: post #27

Congratulations and good luck! I really like the service. However, as someone who relies a lot on Hetzner and AWS, it would be hard to justify a X10 increase in cost. I run my ClickHouse clusters in ax101 servers in Hetzner for roughly 110€/month while similar specs seem to cost 1226 USD/month. Trust me, I'd like to externalise it but not at this cost :)

Hey Pachico, Thanks a lot for your kind words :) Since you are able to deploy, secure, backup, and update/upgrade your os & software by yourself on a dedicated server, you are probably not our main target, or at least not for that extreme use case. But considering a smaller instance, does it make sense to do everything by yourself instead of paying $10 per month? Same question can be asked to businesses with less tec…

Thanks for your interest on my use cases.

It definitely wouldn't make sense to do the work you can outsource for 10 or even 100 euros a month and your example for MySQL 8 is indeed very good. (I run many RDS instances too so I'm familiar with the product and its price.)

However, I would like you to consider people like me a potential target too for top-spec use cases. Would I be willing to consider to pay x3 times rather than x10? Maybe! Probably at the cost 1-3 year commitment, as AWS, I would. Who knows?

Re: Show HN: Elestio – Managed platform for over 150 open-source software stacks

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Post by jitix »

js4ever wrote: post #13
ushakov wrote: post #12

very cool, but why isn't this platform open-source?

Hey Ushakov We have published some parts of the platform in open-source here: https://github.com/elestio https://github.com/elestio/cloudgate https://github.com/elestio/nginx-auto-ssl https://github.com/elestio/ws-screenshot https://github.com/elestio/nebula-rest-api We are also going to publish our light live monitoring system (backend and agent) based on websockets More to come :)

You guys should probably add explicit (and imo restrictive) licenses to your open source repos. You don't want AWS or other providers to copy your code and offer this as part of their own offerings.

Great job btw! Maintenance and support is one of the major issues preventing wider adoption of open source software.

Re: Show HN: Elestio – Managed platform for over 150 open-source software stacks

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Post by js4ever »

pachico wrote: post #31
js4ever wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Pachico, Thanks a lot for your kind words :) Since you are able to deploy, secure, backup, and update/upgrade your os & software by yourself on a dedicated server, you are probably not our main target, or at least not for that extreme use case. But considering a smaller instance, does it make sense to do everything by yourself instead of paying $10 per month? Same question can be asked to businesses with less tec…

Thanks for your interest on my use cases. It definitely wouldn't make sense to do the work you can outsource for 10 or even 100 euros a month and your example for MySQL 8 is indeed very good. (I run many RDS instances too so I'm familiar with the product and its price.) However, I would like you to consider people like me a potential target too for top-spec use cases. Would I be willing to consider to pay x3 times ra…

Absolutely! It's something I'll discuss with the team. Thanks for raising it :)

Re: Show HN: Elestio – Managed platform for over 150 open-source software stacks

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Post by pachico »

js4ever wrote: post #33
pachico wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your interest on my use cases. It definitely wouldn't make sense to do the work you can outsource for 10 or even 100 euros a month and your example for MySQL 8 is indeed very good. (I run many RDS instances too so I'm familiar with the product and its price.) However, I would like you to consider people like me a potential target too for top-spec use cases. Would I be willing to consider to pay x3 times ra…

Absolutely! It's something I'll discuss with the team. Thanks for raising it :)

And something else, for someone like me, one of the biggest PITAs are billing, signing up new providers, keeping track of expenses, etc. So, if I could just subscribe to your products via AWS marketplace it would be awesome!

Usually big companies have a budget line and one of these is the cloud provider. They don't tend to scrutinize the bill, just the bottom line.

Re: Show HN: Elestio – Managed platform for over 150 open-source software stacks

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Post by js4ever »

pachico wrote: post #34
js4ever wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely! It's something I'll discuss with the team. Thanks for raising it :)

And something else, for someone like me, one of the biggest PITAs are billing, signing up new providers, keeping track of expenses, etc. So, if I could just subscribe to your products via AWS marketplace it would be awesome! Usually big companies have a budget line and one of these is the cloud provider. They don't tend to scrutinize the bill, just the bottom line.

Yes! This is also in our roadmap, the idea is to publish images of the softwares to the marketplaces (aws, azure, gcp) including the management fees. This way it will be deployable in a click from the marketplace and paid there on the existing cloud bill, but still fully managed and accessible through our dashboard.

Re: Show HN: Elestio – Managed platform for over 150 open-source software stacks

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Post by vasco »

js4ever wrote: post #25
ccleve wrote: post #22

For services like this, I'm always suspicious about pricing. I see an hourly rate, but it's hard for me to figure out how much it's costing me to have you manage this instead of me. As a result, I rarely buy software at an hourly rate even though it might make economic sense to do so. Here's a suggestion: instead of quoting your own rate, instead say "we charge X% over and above our hourly cost for AWS, Digital Ocean…

Hey ccleve We do have the all-inclusive pricing, but we also offer a BringYourOwnVM plan where you pay yourself for the VM with your cloud provider and you pay to us only management fees. Management fees are based on the VM size you connect, we charge $5 per CPU + $2.5 per GB RAM + 0.25 per 10GB/disk. This is a monthly estimation but this is also billed per hour without any commitment. Let's take an example, if you h…

It would be good to split out the base costs from the elest.io cost in the pricing page. There's no point in forcing the user to calculate this.

For example for the micro option in digital ocean, the barebones droplet is $6/month. Your price is $16/month. If you showed this, I'd know I'm paying you $10 for the ease of use. If you don't show this, I have to calculate it. Unless your plans would be to offer your own hosting down the line - where it would make sense to have only a lump total cost, I don't see the advantage in keeping it hidden (specially since you're clearly open about showing how you're charging per CPU/RAM/disk here in the comments).

Cool product!

Re: Show HN: Elestio – Managed platform for over 150 open-source software stacks

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Post by Dystopian »

Really like the idea - think there's a super decent market for this kind of solution.

Only thing I'd be aware about though is making sure you're on the right side of licensing for all the vendors you're using (/ possibly who you've talked with to make sure the usage is ok).

Off the top I saw N8N on the homepage who are a little more strict about their licensing for cloud vendors. There's also Airbyte and Redpanda who use Elastic and BSL licenses to try and deter cloud vendors from packaging some parts of their services.

Re: Show HN: Elestio – Managed platform for over 150 open-source software stacks

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Post by ctvo »

vasco wrote: post #37
js4ever wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey ccleve We do have the all-inclusive pricing, but we also offer a BringYourOwnVM plan where you pay yourself for the VM with your cloud provider and you pay to us only management fees. Management fees are based on the VM size you connect, we charge $5 per CPU + $2.5 per GB RAM + 0.25 per 10GB/disk. This is a monthly estimation but this is also billed per hour without any commitment. Let's take an example, if you h…

It would be good to split out the base costs from the elest.io cost in the pricing page. There's no point in forcing the user to calculate this. For example for the micro option in digital ocean, the barebones droplet is $6/month. Your price is $16/month. If you showed this, I'd know I'm paying you $10 for the ease of use. If you don't show this, I have to calculate it. Unless your plans would be to offer your own ho…

> It would be good to split out the base costs from the elest.io cost in the pricing page. There's no point in forcing the user to calculate this.

What makes you think these folks pay full price for a VM with their partners? What value do you get out of it now knowing that? It's similar to asking any business to disclose to you their costs.

I would disregard this and keep your pricing as is. If users find value in the CPU / RAM + service at price point X, great.

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