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Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

#31

Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

There is no difference, but it's perfectly fine to make fun of any group.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

#32

Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

Italians aren't discriminated against en masse in the US, so poking fun at the language is seen as "punching down".

Italians aren't discriminated against en masse

Neither are Asian Americans? Despite what the media wants you to believe

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

#33

Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

Italians aren't discriminated against en masse in the US, so poking fun at the language is seen as "punching down".

At least anymore. There used to be a time when discrimination against Italian Americans was quite the norm

See: https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/immigration/italian/...

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

#34

Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

In my lifetime, I've witnessed first hand a lot of racism, and just outright violence towards Asians and Blacks, including institutional racism. I believe that's the difference.

Italian Americans don't have to worry about this sort of institutional racism (at least not in generations), so it's easier to assume these jokes are honest attempts at humor vs bigotry.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

#37
post #23

As a native Italian speaker I think that the tradition is safe from AI for now... Uussimanto or Dantentandim doesn't quite sound like Italian ;) And there might be a bit too many "Effusione" names :)

Yeah, 90% of the ones I generated start with Effusione. Must be a popular technique in fake-Italy.

Effusione is wide spread in the world of fake Italian Coffees. I can not name the brand :)

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

#38
post #34

Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

In my lifetime, I've witnessed first hand a lot of racism, and just outright violence towards Asians and Blacks, including institutional racism. I believe that's the difference. Italian Americans don't have to worry about this sort of institutional racism (at least not in generations ), so it's easier to assume these jokes are honest attempts at humor vs bigotry.

Many Hollywood movies with a plot that clearly takes place 5 decades after WWII have evil German characters named Fritz and Hans. Racism? You can certainly still experience anti-German sentiments as a 20 year old abroad right now.

I don't mind these movies at all, but there do seem to be double standards.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

#39

Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

This is a rabbit hole. You probably didn't mean it this way, but:

> Any native American can help me understand the difference between making fun of Asians/Blacks/other groups and italo-americans?

You know what "native american" means in (American) English, don't you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United...

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

#40

Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

Italians aren't discriminated against en masse in the US, so poking fun at the language is seen as "punching down".

I think you mean punching up, or "isn't seen as punching down."
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