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Re: Show HN: Peer to Peer Recruiting?

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MattGaiser wrote: post #13

There needs to be clarity on what qualifies as a success and a failure. If they quit in two days, do I lose my money? As I know a great candidate who has done that because he was mislead (literal Java developer hired to do JavaScript kind of thing). How about if they are just let go in a downsizing and not really fired for performance? But otherwise this is a great idea.

AD: Thanks for your comment, if you get into the T&C's we have clauses for when a candidate applies and is let go for reasons outside of being not fit for the role, there are pro-rata returns for the endorsers in those instances.

Re: Show HN: Peer to Peer Recruiting?

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kristopolous wrote: post #26
hasperdi wrote: post #15

I don't think the website communicates whatever service they're offering effectively. Unless the visitor knows exactly what they're looking for. IE. What is ATS? why do I want to see demo immediately?

There's a lot of "we're amazing!" on there. It's trivial to get a flood of inadequate resumes and incompetent applicants. So how does this avoid that problem in concrete market differentiated ways without using platitudes and self congratulatory language? Is it the "Endorsement flow"? Why is it buried, sandwiched between a bunch of what Steve Krug called "happy talk" over 20 years ago?

AD: It wouldn't be a startup without an amount of "look how good we are"!... It absolutely is the endorsement flow. People will only be willing to endorse their candidates if they are confident they can pass the companies probation... They can only really be confident if they have experience of their candidate in the workplace.

Re: Show HN: Peer to Peer Recruiting?

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Post by gethigher »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #17

congratulations on getting to launch! And in a notoriously difficult field - I hope you can "fix" recruiting :-) My thoughts are : I would only make the bet if I understood both sides - the skill of the candidate I am betting on (ok) - and the needs, culture and requirements of the company looking to hire. As that second part is basically unknown then the only rational part is to withdraw the bet. Perhaps a smaller s…

> I would only make the bet if I understood both sides

AD: So this is integral to our system, those who are being asked to endorse candidates won't be doing so if they don't feel they either understand what the company is looking for or how capable their candidate is.

Think of the person you respect and admire the most in the workplace, and they've just asked you to endorse them for a role similar to their current one. The endorsement you give is contingent on them passing the probation only, would you give it?

Re: Show HN: Peer to Peer Recruiting?

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Post by gethigher »

victor9000 wrote: post #21

This assumes that candidates succeed based exclusively on their own merit, where a poor employer or culture could actually be the reason why a good candidate does not work out.

AD: We have clauses in place for these scenarios, Higher will act as the mediator in instances where a clear reason can't be established.

Re: Show HN: Peer to Peer Recruiting?

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Post by randalluk »

gethigher wrote: post #28
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to be quite a fragile way of offloading some of the recruitment/interview/screening process to the persons friends. What stops Paul paying his friends/acquaintances to endorse him? Doesn't this perpetuate the lack of diversity in the job market? Whenever I hire I'll ask anyone I know that's worked in the same place if they have an opinion on them - but won't use a lack of one to not bring in for an intervi…

> What stops Paul paying his friends/acquaintances to endorse him? AD: The fact that Paul is taking on all the risk, in effect Paul has made a self-endorsement via proxy... Paul can already self-endorse it's a valid signal of confidence that they feel they can do the job.

> AD: The fact that Paul is taking on all the risk, in effect Paul has made a self-endorsement via proxy...

Is funding your own stake via a third party explicitly allowed, or is it abuse that's too hard to police and therefore you turn a blind eye, with the above justification?

If the latter, employers should be aware they may be biasing hiring in favour rule-breakers.

For most jobs, there are plenty of people who can do it. Of those people, this system advantages those with easier access to some financial capital. Not great for diversity or social mobility.

Re: Show HN: Peer to Peer Recruiting?

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Post by gethigher »

randalluk wrote: post #35
gethigher wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What stops Paul paying his friends/acquaintances to endorse him? AD: The fact that Paul is taking on all the risk, in effect Paul has made a self-endorsement via proxy... Paul can already self-endorse it's a valid signal of confidence that they feel they can do the job.

> AD: The fact that Paul is taking on all the risk, in effect Paul has made a self-endorsement via proxy... Is funding your own stake via a third party explicitly allowed, or is it abuse that's too hard to police and therefore you turn a blind eye, with the above justification? If the latter, employers should be aware they may be biasing hiring in favour rule-breakers. For most jobs, there are plenty of people who ca…

> If the latter, employers should be aware they may be biasing hiring in favour rule-breakers.

AD: It doesn't matter if you fund your friends to do it or you do it yourself, someone is taking the risk and so from a signal processing point of view it's a strong signal.

> For most jobs, there are plenty of people who can do it. Of those people, this system advantages those with easier access to some financial capital. Not great for diversity or social mobility.

AD: The stake is commensurate with the salary, and people are likely to be in similar socio-economic bracket with their peers. The rich already have an advantage in life, we can't change that, but we can equal the playing field by adjusting the price per unit of influence to match wealth distribution.

Re: Show HN: Peer to Peer Recruiting?

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Post by hasperdi »

dfee wrote: post #16
hasperdi wrote: post #15

I don't think the website communicates whatever service they're offering effectively. Unless the visitor knows exactly what they're looking for. IE. What is ATS? why do I want to see demo immediately?

Applicant tracking system. Basically a CRM for candidates. This is 101 level jargon. If you don’t know it, now you do.

Thanks for the explanation.

Maybe 101 level jargon for you, but not everyone; especially who are not familiar with this particular domain.

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