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Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by jerome-jh »

est31 wrote: post #20
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost wonder if there was some lobbying done pro-banner because it probably results in higher engagement (I'm guessing most people click accept blindly) versus disabling cookies. I'm sure Google likes the current state better than if they had to change their browser to encourage folks to disable cookies.

Yeah the banners are annoying and in fact may make it more likely for people to keep cookies. I have my browser set to clear all cookies on close, but that also deletes my "I accept" clicks, so every time I start a new browser session, and this is multiple times per day, my cookies reset. Result before: my cookies would all reset multiple times per day, all nice. Result after: I have to click stupid banners about coo…

Oh man that's annoying! The funny part is that it annoys especially those who are careful about their data. So it is basically an incentive for being loose with privacy. Long ago I used set this setting in my parent's browser but they simply could not stand it.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by dessant »

bouke wrote: post #2

Maybe someday this can be added to browsers, and the browsers can advertise the users’s preference to the server. Maybe even have a special request header for it. We could call it “Do-Not-Track”. A value of “1” would opt-out of all tracking (cookies).

Global Privacy Control [1] is a new specification that is backed by an increasing number of browser vendors and publishers.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/coming-to-a-brow...

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by izacus »

Meekro wrote: post #28
izacus wrote: post #18

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I've never seen uBlock Origin block the cookie and GDPR consent popups though.

You have to turn it on. In the options, there are several "Annoyances" blocklists (AdGuard Annoyances, Fanboy's Annoyances, uBlock Annoyances) that do this. Turn them all on for best results.

Ohh... thanks!

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by mitjam »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #6
Dirlewanger wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These modals being everywhere is 100% a failure of lawmakers being technically inept (again) and being vague with execution. Did EU lawmakers not have anyone providing them advice when writing GDPR?

I almost wonder if there was some lobbying done pro-banner because it probably results in higher engagement (I'm guessing most people click accept blindly) versus disabling cookies. I'm sure Google likes the current state better than if they had to change their browser to encourage folks to disable cookies.

I dom‘t think so, it can even backfire big time since when data is collected based on consent the user can always retract their consent and demand all data tracked under consent to be deleted. I bet every single company would struggle to meet users´ rights under GDPR if they would be enacted more commonly or even on a regular basis.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by na85 »

Buchstabensalat wrote: post #9
bouke wrote: post #2

Maybe someday this can be added to browsers, and the browsers can advertise the users’s preference to the server. Maybe even have a special request header for it. We could call it “Do-Not-Track”. A value of “1” would opt-out of all tracking (cookies).

Great from a user perspective - but wouldn't this mean the end of online advertising? I imagine conversion tracking, or even sending requests to external servers wouldn't be okay with this setting.

>but wouldn't this mean the end of online advertising?

Sounds wonderful.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by TrianguloY »

Personally when I visit a page I always turn off all the switchable cookies, it's really interesting to see how different pages force you to accept them, by obscuring the disable button, adding an "allow all and close" button in all steps of the process (so you click it after getting tired) or even allowing you to turn all on, but forcing to turn them off one by one. It's funny, but long and unpleasant process. I was aware of the "I don't mind cookies" extension, and that was perfect... but for the opposite! I was wondering why there wasn't an option to say no instead of yes. So I'll definitely try this. If it works as expected and you keep at least the basic features free this will be a must have for me.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by GuillaumeHr »

beardog wrote: post #24

Neat approach! This extension is proprietary (according to license on Firefox Addons site). I Don't Care About Cookies and UBlock Origin are open source. Given that such an addon requires access to all sites, I have to trust a random french developer/company not to steal my banking credentials. This is not intended to be hate and I will keep this in mind for the future as this is a good new approach. I ask that you c…

You are right! To be honest: Ninja Cookie is really young and this is the first time I try to post on hackernews and I didn't plan to get all those comments. Because Ninja Cookie is really young, we are still thinking on our business model. We would like to open our sources so that you will be confident but we need first to find the right business model. No business model = no futur. And we want a futur for our Ninja Cookie. :) Meanwhile, you need to trust us :/

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by noir_lord »

est31 wrote: post #20
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost wonder if there was some lobbying done pro-banner because it probably results in higher engagement (I'm guessing most people click accept blindly) versus disabling cookies. I'm sure Google likes the current state better than if they had to change their browser to encourage folks to disable cookies.

Yeah the banners are annoying and in fact may make it more likely for people to keep cookies. I have my browser set to clear all cookies on close, but that also deletes my "I accept" clicks, so every time I start a new browser session, and this is multiple times per day, my cookies reset. Result before: my cookies would all reset multiple times per day, all nice. Result after: I have to click stupid banners about coo…

Ublock origin has additional off by default lists.

One of those is called annoyances, it gets rid of a lot of that noise ime.

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