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Re: Show HN: WebCatalog – turn websites into desktop apps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we need to link to that famous Dropbox comment again? Sometimes convenience can be enough.

Unrelated to the parent comment, but what is this Dropbox comment?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 is the comment.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16660140 is some discussion around it later.

Re: Show HN: WebCatalog – turn websites into desktop apps

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Just mentioning two related programs in my mind: Franz ( https://meetfranz.com/ ) and nativefier ( https://github.com/jiahaog/nativefier ).

I personally use Rambox (https://rambox.pro/) instead of Franz these days, or just click the "install as app" button in my browser.

Really, I see little value over these browsers with vertically stacked tabs. There's already free solutions out there, what's the added value? Workspaces are easy to replicate using Firefox's containerised tabs and the vertical tab structure can be replicated with something like Tree Style Tabs. The remaining minor improvements are nice to have but certainly not worth $20 in my opinion.

Re: Show HN: WebCatalog – turn websites into desktop apps

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post #21
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1. Open any site. 2. Click on menu option at the top right of your browser. 3. Add to home screen (select open as window)

Am I missing something? My desktop computer doesn't have a "home screen" and I don't see anything like this option in Chrome or Firefox.

Chrome makes it available to websites providing a PWA manifest, I believe. Firefox doesn't really have it on desktop yet, though there's a button and support for it on Android. Shortcuts on the desktop get added to where your computer would normally place these icons, be it your desktop, start menu, dock or apps folder.

You can sort-of replicate the behaviour by creating a shortcut to "chrome --app=https://www.example.com" for websites that don't offer it.

Re: Show HN: WebCatalog – turn websites into desktop apps

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post #14

How does this compare to the below? google-chrome --app= https://example.com firefox --ssb= https://example.com

84.4MB AppImage, probably yet another electron wrapper. At least this one provides single runtime image for all apps.

People use electron because it's literally the only option in many cases.

Can you point to a viable alternative? Multiplatform by default, with the option to build rich reactive UI? Plus text editing with a sane document model (via ProseMirror etc)? Fast math rendering (via katex)?

If so I will happily jump ship! Even Microsoft's attempt at a react native for desktop excludes Linux so it's a non-starter. The Rust community seems to be interested in solving this problem, and I eagerly await their solution.

Re: Show HN: WebCatalog – turn websites into desktop apps

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post #6

This is trying to sell the concept of a chrome-less browser-window ("install as app"), a feature your browser already has.

Do we need to link to that famous Dropbox comment again? Sometimes convenience can be enough.

Kind of reminds me of a talk by the third YouTube founder on how the convenience of not having to download video from ftp was enough.

Easy Accessibility is key.

https://youtu.be/XAJEXUNmP5M

Re: Show HN: WebCatalog – turn websites into desktop apps

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post #6

This is trying to sell the concept of a chrome-less browser-window ("install as app"), a feature your browser already has.

> This is trying to sell the concept of a chrome-less browser-window ("install as app"), a feature your browser already has.

As a dev, service workers are a PITA and getting them to work with with our products is a bit of a hit and miss. Installable / pinnable web apps are only available if the original web dev has made them available. Web catalog and electron wrappers are for people who want to wrap apps and sites that are not nor ally available.

Re: Show HN: WebCatalog – turn websites into desktop apps

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post #6

This is trying to sell the concept of a chrome-less browser-window ("install as app"), a feature your browser already has.

> This is trying to sell the concept of a chrome-less browser-window ("install as app"), a feature your browser already has. As a dev, service workers are a PITA and getting them to work with with our products is a bit of a hit and miss. Installable / pinnable web apps are only available if the original web dev has made them available. Web catalog and electron wrappers are for people who want to wrap apps and sites t…

You do not need service workers to do what Web catalog/electron wrappers are doing:

google-chrome --app=https://example.com

firefox --ssb https://example.com (sadly requires enabling the ssb feature)

Sure, you can have a tool to create "desktop shortcuts" for the casual user, but this is not worthy of a commercial product.

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