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Re: Show HN: Create a Deep Fake Video from Any Image

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Post by jcims » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 2:39 AM UTC

soheil wrote: post #29

abeppu wrote: post #16

There's a huge and qualitative difference between the example video and the 'recent videos' below. The example video shows the face being stretched mostly around the mouth, and without extreme or sudden changes. Sure, it looks fake, but it seems coherent. It's almost the kind of thing a human would make in a comedy setting. But in the generated videos below, I see a lot of the issues we often get with generative mode…

The instruction wasn't clear, the video and the image both need to have a person's head for this to work.

Is this related to avatarify at all? I tried that a few times and the result was very similar to what is in the recent videos section.

Re: Show HN: Create a Deep Fake Video from Any Image

#32

Post by jcims » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 2:40 AM UTC

soheil wrote: post #28

jcims wrote: post #11

Quite brave leaving random Internet generated content on the front page of the site.

Interesting 1st observation

Haha sorry my day job is in security so my mind goes directly to abuse.

The transparency is very appreciated. Nice job putting it together, hope you get some actually constructive (vs mine) feedback from hn

Re: Show HN: Create a Deep Fake Video from Any Image

#33

Post by totetsu » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 2:52 AM UTC

It works with line drawings.. https://myvoiceyourface.com/video/?id=355fb6de15

Re: Show HN: Create a Deep Fake Video from Any Image

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Post by irjustin » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 4:06 AM UTC

chrisco255 wrote: post #26

irjustin wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say you can't manipulate history (it's possible btw). History is only as good as the one telling the story. In this case, who inserted the initial video? The FIRST person who inserted gets to say "this is truth". With Bitcoin what's being traded existed from the beginning. It was "mined" from the original pool. Here we all collectively said, "we trust that original pool not to be shifty". So because we trust th…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_of_authority Proof of Authority. What matters is the reputation of the source. You can have varying degrees of trustworthiness based on an source's reputation, which is built up on the chain. For example, Craig Wright has faced a lot of backlash for claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto. There's been no way for him to be proven wrong. Recently, someone signed a transaction with an addr…

Can I reply twice? Replying to the edit:

That's a social proof token[0][1].

But again, think about bad actors gaming the trust token and then inserting their own deep fakes. It's not even far fetch.

Also, who 'gives' those tokens? What if a whole bunch of republicans give a lot of social proof tokens to Alex Jones. At one point in time, that made quite a bit of sense. So now you've got a blockchain backed authority saying Sandy Hook was a democrat red herring.

So then a bunch of democrats come in to push that Alex Jones vote back down. That same system that pushed Alex down is now a system that can push others back down in a weaponized fashion.

Separately, if you just want to say "I created this work" regardless of who I am. PGP does that perfectly well. The whole block chain infrastructure isn't necessary. It doesn't add anything to the validity of the video itself.

[0] https://ght.dtsgroup.co.nz/ [1] https://www.hubtoken.org/images/hub-white-paper.pdf

Re: Show HN: Create a Deep Fake Video from Any Image

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Post by sitkack » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 4:09 AM UTC

sitkack wrote: post #8

jsf01 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What stops me from signing my own deepfaked video and putting that on the blockchain?

What stops me from writing a check to myself and cashing it?

For those that aren't following along, the answer is nothing and the parents comment completely misses the point of being able to attribute something to a person.

Re: Show HN: Create a Deep Fake Video from Any Image

#36

Post by forgingahead » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 4:21 AM UTC

This just looks like a simple web app wrapper around First Order Model: https://github.com/AliaksandrSiarohin/first-order-model

The license for the code specifically states "Non-Commercial".

Is your code something else? Also seems like you've double posted it.

Edit: Your other posts also have a similar look - are you testing the waters for a viable biz model by adding web-app wrappers around ML papers who have published their code on Github? Not being accusatory or anything, just trying to understand.

Re: Show HN: Create a Deep Fake Video from Any Image

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Post by tech-historian » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 4:28 AM UTC

Your pricing plans:

https://myvoiceyourface.com/pay/

$20/mo for 20 videos. While the technical output you've achieved is notable, just curious, who is your target audience? How do you see these videos being used?

Re: Show HN: Create a Deep Fake Video from Any Image

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 5:07 AM UTC

forgingahead wrote: post #36

This just looks like a simple web app wrapper around First Order Model: https://github.com/AliaksandrSiarohin/first-order-model The license for the code specifically states "Non-Commercial". Is your code something else? Also seems like you've double posted it. Edit: Your other posts also have a similar look - are you testing the waters for a viable biz model by adding web-app wrappers around ML papers who have publis…

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Re: Show HN: Create a Deep Fake Video from Any Image

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Post by totetsu » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 6:02 AM UTC

chrisco255 wrote: post #26

irjustin wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say you can't manipulate history (it's possible btw). History is only as good as the one telling the story. In this case, who inserted the initial video? The FIRST person who inserted gets to say "this is truth". With Bitcoin what's being traded existed from the beginning. It was "mined" from the original pool. Here we all collectively said, "we trust that original pool not to be shifty". So because we trust th…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_of_authority Proof of Authority. What matters is the reputation of the source. You can have varying degrees of trustworthiness based on an source's reputation, which is built up on the chain. For example, Craig Wright has faced a lot of backlash for claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto. There's been no way for him to be proven wrong. Recently, someone signed a transaction with an addr…

Given that when you see a video recorded by someone's phone on twitter, it is probably the first and only time you will see a video from that person. What use if tracking trust if you have to accept things from unproven people all the time?

Re: Show HN: Create a Deep Fake Video from Any Image

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Post by chrisco255 » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:48 AM UTC

irjustin wrote: post #34

chrisco255 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_of_authority Proof of Authority. What matters is the reputation of the source. You can have varying degrees of trustworthiness based on an source's reputation, which is built up on the chain. For example, Craig Wright has faced a lot of backlash for claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto. There's been no way for him to be proven wrong. Recently, someone signed a transaction with an addr…

Can I reply twice? Replying to the edit: That's a social proof token[0][1]. But again, think about bad actors gaming the trust token and then inserting their own deep fakes. It's not even far fetch. Also, who 'gives' those tokens? What if a whole bunch of republicans give a lot of social proof tokens to Alex Jones. At one point in time, that made quite a bit of sense. So now you've got a blockchain backed authority s…

I'm not looking at is a token per se. I'm mainly interested in a Decentralized ID, which could represent an organization, like FOX or CNN. Nevermind the political biases of those orgs. Each org can establish a DID that they publicly claim is theirs and they sign all their video footage with those DIDs. Theoretically an open source camera and microphone chip could also sign a MP4 or MP3 file in a verifiable way. So you've got different levels of authenticity verification. This is just to prevent someone from taking this AI tech and making it look like an anchor said something that they didn't actually say. The timestamp of signing a transaction on the blockchain is important for proving when something occurred.

PGP depends on a certificate authority, and is quite centralized in that sense. Blockchain allows multiple open standards to exist and to develop organically. AI will continue to evolve and it's important that verification tech evolve along with it in a open source manner. The blockchain community, especially with it's recent work and research on zero knowledge proofs, are more prepared to adapt to those changes. Their whole industry is based on establishing consensus in a permissionless way.