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Show HN: A bookmarklet to remove clickgates on New York Times, Medium, etc.

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Re: Show HN: A bookmarklet to remove clickgates on New York Times, Medium, etc.

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8 million dollars over 1600 journalists is $5000 each. Pewdipie doesnt have the costs of running a news company and hes not in the news industry

Yeah, thats 8 million a month. i feel like 5k a month is pretty good pay for a journalist.

NYT should adopt the business model of a youtube edgelord and then pay its journalists submarket wages does not sound like a very realistic approach to running a solvent news organization.

Re: Show HN: A bookmarklet to remove clickgates on New York Times, Medium, etc.

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post #9

Do you think the 1,600 journalists at The New York Times, many of whom work in difficult environments (including the White House, lol), should work for free? Quite the Scrooge move.

Calling someone a scrooge or cheap for finding a hole in a technical limitation device that is sloppy in its implementation as it is click-bait in it's dark patterns of pretending the page is an open page/free page so it can compete in the search engines but in reality it presents a paid-gate that only appears after leading content is very unhackernews like.

NYT one of the largest most profitable companies pretends to show you an article baits you and demands money and you are a scrooge for not paying? In that context they are the rich entity and should give the content away (the way Scrooge should have). No where in the story does it mention Tiny Tim finding coal in Scroogle's garbage and someone stopping him and calling him cheap for not paying full price because Scrooge employes so many people.

Re: Show HN: A bookmarklet to remove clickgates on New York Times, Medium, etc.

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post #9

Do you think the 1,600 journalists at The New York Times, many of whom work in difficult environments (including the White House, lol), should work for free? Quite the Scrooge move.

Do you assume all HN users would reach the paywalls' read-limits through organic everyday use?

I felt forced to disable cookies and javascript on the following sites just after exclusively clicking on links submitted to HN: NYT, Medium, Washington Post, Bloomberg, MIT Technology Review and Harvard Business Review.

I'd prefer if submitters choose more user-respecting sources, but until then I refuse to feel guilty over stopping these intrusive sites and their dark patterns.

Re: Show HN: A bookmarklet to remove clickgates on New York Times, Medium, etc.

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post #9

Do you think the 1,600 journalists at The New York Times, many of whom work in difficult environments (including the White House, lol), should work for free? Quite the Scrooge move.

I don't think they should work for free. I'm not under the impression that they do work for free, or that blocking ads or paywalls will cause them to work for free.

Re: Show HN: A bookmarklet to remove clickgates on New York Times, Medium, etc.

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post #9

Do you think the 1,600 journalists at The New York Times, many of whom work in difficult environments (including the White House, lol), should work for free? Quite the Scrooge move.

I think a lot of what you need to know about (a swathe of) the Hacker News community is that I get voted down for pointing out that you're stealing content.

I don't subscribe to the idea that you can steal something which is non-rivalrous and non-excludable.

To steal is "to take illegally, or without the owner's permission, something owned by someone else" - can't really take the bits from NYT - after someone reads their article without paying them NYT has no less bits than they had before.

Re: Show HN: A bookmarklet to remove clickgates on New York Times, Medium, etc.

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sidebar: working for and writing at tbe NYT - or any "news" publisher - doesn't make you a journalist. Journalist is a process and a result. We're too quick to use the word journalist. The low bar should not be so normalized.

Lol. NYT = "low bar". You're living in an alternate reality.

Ya think? If you read the NYT in the 70's and 80's like I did - and then compare it to today's - then you'd realize how hard I'm laughing right now.

You reflecting their approach (i.e.,unable to be objective) is nothing short of vindication (for me).

Re: Show HN: A bookmarklet to remove clickgates on New York Times, Medium, etc.

#37

This one is also quite helpful: https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-firefox ... for all of the folks out there who don't have a university picking up the tab for the articles that they want to read. It's important to remember that paywalls disproportionately impact those who are not "working" in an academic setting.

And evading paywalls disproportionately impacts the journalists creating the stories you seem to value, though for some reason refuse to pay for.

Information wants to be free. If you don't believe me, just head over to your favorite mirror of libgen and see what you can find there.

I thank Aaron Swartz and his co-conspirators every time I download something from one of those sites. I could always walk over to a nearby university and use their public wifi to download much of this material through more "legitimate" channels ... but have to admit that it wouldn't provide the same thrill as just stealing it.

It's also comforting to know that no girls (as young as 10-years of age) had to be sexually exploited by a monster like Jeffrey Epstein in order to cover my subscription to these materials (Epstein allegedly donated millions to universities like MIT ... much of which they deliberately tried to cover up until exposed by a courageous whistle-blower in the Media Lab).

Ironic that this was the same squeaky clean institution that handed a "criminal trespasser" like Swartz over to the Feds so that they could spank his ass hard, ain't it?

Re: Show HN: A bookmarklet to remove clickgates on New York Times, Medium, etc.

#38
post #32
post #9

Do you think the 1,600 journalists at The New York Times, many of whom work in difficult environments (including the White House, lol), should work for free? Quite the Scrooge move.

Calling someone a scrooge or cheap for finding a hole in a technical limitation device that is sloppy in its implementation as it is click-bait in it's dark patterns of pretending the page is an open page/free page so it can compete in the search engines but in reality it presents a paid-gate that only appears after leading content is very unhackernews like. NYT one of the largest most profitable companies pretends t…

> it is click-bait in it's dark patterns of pretending the page is an open page/free page so it can compete in the search engines but in reality it presents a paid-gate that only appears after leading content

This is the most important point here. If your content is not actually public, you really shouldn't get the benefits of search engine exposure, HN exposure, or even the distribution from sharing what appears to be a URL to a hypertext document.

Re: Show HN: A bookmarklet to remove clickgates on New York Times, Medium, etc.

#39

This one is also quite helpful: https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-firefox ... for all of the folks out there who don't have a university picking up the tab for the articles that they want to read. It's important to remember that paywalls disproportionately impact those who are not "working" in an academic setting.

And evading paywalls disproportionately impacts the journalists creating the stories you seem to value, though for some reason refuse to pay for.

Do you think that people reading newspapers for free at the library negatively impacts journalists?

Re: Show HN: A bookmarklet to remove clickgates on New York Times, Medium, etc.

#40

this it's literally facilitating copyright infringement if you don't want to pay for them is fine, just don't read them

It's certainly not copyright infringement to download a hypertext document from a company's public web servers.
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