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Re: Show HN: Open Paperless – Scan, index, and archive paper documents

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Looks great. Love the idea behind it, but... There is at least one country (mine - Switzerland) which is not able to use software like yours. The problems are the current laws that force people and organizations to store physical copies of the documents (for several years). Electronic documents have no value in front of the law, which is why we have no choice but to do all of that offline, manually. I've tried many a…

There is a proprietary solution for it, sadly overpriced and cloud-based. But the principle could be implemented in any software:

Shoe Box + QR, you fill linearly and always snap the QR with the scan. It than can tell you at roughly which height in the stack and in which shoe box something is.

edit: here: https://box.fileee.com/

Re: Show HN: Open Paperless – Scan, index, and archive paper documents

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post #30

Looks great. Love the idea behind it, but... There is at least one country (mine - Switzerland) which is not able to use software like yours. The problems are the current laws that force people and organizations to store physical copies of the documents (for several years). Electronic documents have no value in front of the law, which is why we have no choice but to do all of that offline, manually. I've tried many a…

Can you elaborate on the laws you mention a bit? I understand that there are requirements for organizations (GebüV and VAT-related laws), but for people? Which documents do you need to store physically as a private individual in Switzerland?

Re: Show HN: Open Paperless – Scan, index, and archive paper documents

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I have a question Is there a service anyone knows about which will print your email and send it with tracking of receipt or signature, so you can prove what was physically sent? Or you mail it to them and they open your mail, scan it and forward it on with signature required, with your address as the return address? Because righy now you can only prove that the ENVELOPE was received, not what was in it.

you can just ask your recipeint to send you some uuid on the letter after they receive it. i have no idea what problem you are trying to solve though.

i once heard of a case were the employer send an unrelated document to an employee.

later on, the payment stopped and the employer claimed that they fired him at that time.

I don't recall how that case ultimately turned out, but maybe something like that? would be incredibly rare though and of dubious worth for mostly anyone

Re: Show HN: Open Paperless – Scan, index, and archive paper documents

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post #33
post #30

Looks great. Love the idea behind it, but... There is at least one country (mine - Switzerland) which is not able to use software like yours. The problems are the current laws that force people and organizations to store physical copies of the documents (for several years). Electronic documents have no value in front of the law, which is why we have no choice but to do all of that offline, manually. I've tried many a…

Can you elaborate on the laws you mention a bit? I understand that there are requirements for organizations (GebüV and VAT-related laws), but for people ? Which documents do you need to store physically as a private individual in Switzerland?

I'm not an attorney, so I can't give you the exact references to laws. Basically you are not obligated to store those documents as a private person, as long as you don't need to show them to a judge during a court case. That's why I'm a bit on the paranoid side, because you never know when you might need a specific document to prove something. In my case I do store all the documents which were signed (e.g. contracts) or are government related.

Re: Show HN: Open Paperless – Scan, index, and archive paper documents

#36
post #30

Looks great. Love the idea behind it, but... There is at least one country (mine - Switzerland) which is not able to use software like yours. The problems are the current laws that force people and organizations to store physical copies of the documents (for several years). Electronic documents have no value in front of the law, which is why we have no choice but to do all of that offline, manually. I've tried many a…

There is a proprietary solution for it, sadly overpriced and cloud-based. But the principle could be implemented in any software: Shoe Box + QR, you fill linearly and always snap the QR with the scan. It than can tell you at roughly which height in the stack and in which shoe box something is. edit: here: https://box.fileee.com/

Thank you. This brings up another problem we have with our laws: Corporates are not allowed to store such documents on servers which are outside of our country. And that's usually the case with clouds services, because of obvious reasons.

Re: Show HN: Open Paperless – Scan, index, and archive paper documents

#37

Any good open source desktop software with linux support to do this? I don't see why I would personally want a web app for this.

It's a little clunky but here's the one I found best that just worked on Ubuntu: http://gscan2pdf.sourceforge.net/ . It can combine some of the best tools for OCR/cleanup/etc.

My main gripe is that I have a document feeder and manually selecting pages with shift to combine in to a single document and clicking "Save as" is far too much of a hassle. There needs to be a better flow for that.

Re: Show HN: Open Paperless – Scan, index, and archive paper documents

#39

Any good open source desktop software with linux support to do this? I don't see why I would personally want a web app for this.

Maybe just put the scanned pdfs into a hierarchical folder system, then keep a text file at the root with comma or tab-separated location, ISO date and keywords.

Then your documents are a grep away. Maybe awk to find documents from a date range?

Maybe someone clever could automate this with the OCR output...

Re: Show HN: Open Paperless – Scan, index, and archive paper documents

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Does anyone know any similar free/open products for archiving documents, tracking etc.?

What I am after is a system like expensive solutions have in some companies where the mailbox department prints (or has preprinted) labels with unique bar codes, for any incoming mail, they open it, stick a label on it, scan it with the label on it and then physically deliver it. Some departments also input recipient and sender details, add tags etc. So in the end they have a searchable database by persons involved, content type, tags and also all documents (physical and digital) have a referenceable id that can be used for various purposes.

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