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Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by angoragoats »

unconed wrote: post #275
angoragoats wrote: post #269

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I understand what Critical Social Justice is, and it is not in any way a virus either literally or figuratively. Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I was asking for sources establishing that such a thing as a "woke mind virus" exists. I doubt there are any serious sources which frame critical social justice as such, but once again I'd love to be proven wrong on this. I'm still waiting.

Woke lost, because it infected companies, universities and other organizations. It prompted entitled idiots like cited above to go into projects started by others, assume eminent domain, and attempt to take it over with slander and defamation. Always with the same script, pretending to defend while engaged in an unprovoked and drawn out attack. See the cases of: - The Ada Initiative - DongleGate - James Damore - Bret…

More claims without sources? Useless.

And no, asking for sources is not gaslighting, no matter how much you say it is. It’s important to me that my beliefs are backed by evidence, and so you’ll have to forgive me that I just can’t assume that “a woke mind virus is a thing that exists” is a valid claim.

@sanity posted a sibling reply which I can’t reply to because it’s [dead] for some reason. In that reply they do give a couple of examples of recent literature that they say supports their claim. I will freely admit I’m not familiar with the work they’re citing so I’m going to look into it. Upon a brief look at a summary of the Lukianoff and Haidt work, I don’t think it actually addresses the claim which I was asking for sources for, but I will reserve judgment until I read it.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by timschmidt »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #202
timschmidt wrote: post #153

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> I’m not a fan of “think of the children“ arguments Yet you're making one. > the Internet cannot actually be a complete free for all Yet in many important ways, it is. As much as publishers would like to shut down Scihub, it exists. The Pirate Bay famously persists. Nation states with entirely opposed legal systems connect and interoperate to at least some degree.

Dude it’s CSAM what are we even doing here.

What's CSAM? All of Freenet? Doubtful.

The OP said: "Extremely depraved things are not the only thing to use freedom of speech for, and freely speaking can result in all kinds of repressions."

Which is objectively true.

You're throwing reporters, political dissidents, whistleblowers, minority groups, and just regular people who don't appreciate the Stasi in with the child pornographers which some might take as an insult and offense.

What kind of criminal does Phil Zimmermann look like to you? We had this argument already in the 90s.

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Post by dyauspitr »

raffraffraff wrote: post #272
dyauspitr wrote: post #230

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As your average progressive, I agree that I don’t like identarianism. When you have 8-15 years old putting a lot of effort into defining themselves as a “non binary, trans feminist pansexual” it gutturally feels wrong. These kids should not be wasting their time and energy on asinine pursuits like this at that age over performing well academically and over developing their physical prowess. I preferred the 00s where…

Yep. This situation doesn't do the "cancellers" much good either. What they want to do is eliminate the 'evil person' from society. Wipe them from social media. Block them. Even get them fired. Make them disappear. But here's the problem. This whole phenomenon is most prevalent in western style democracy. You cannot take that person's vote . You can engage with them and try to change their mind (but also be open to h…

Humans tend towards being tribalistic. All ideas are not equally received because in my opinion some ideas are easier to accept because of that biological basis. We should all know that being tribalistic (own race/ethnicity/religion) has generally and continuously throughout history caused most of the world’s ills. From that perspective I’m tentatively in support of cancel culture. It seems like a non violent way to suppress ideas that groups easily uptake though deep down we know that those ideas are wrong and counterproductive.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by nextgens »

sanity wrote: post #221
nextgens wrote: post #170

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I've abstained form interfering until now... but have you honestly forgotten? Please explain how "the new freenet" tackles censorship resistance. https://web.archive.org/web/20001017133926/http://freenetpro... "Freenet is a peer-to-peer network designed to allow the distribution of information over the Internet in an efficient manner, without fear of censorship." https://web.archive.org/web/20050201110519/http://free…

> Please explain how "the new freenet" tackles censorship resistance. Primarily through the same core mechanism as the original Freenet design: decentralization and relaying requests through multiple peers such that no individual peer sees the entire request path. The new design also supports pluggable anonymity systems such as mixnets and onion routing. In some respects these are stronger than Hyphanet's approach be…

The original freenet design was replicating content as it was requested. You had no way of locating "all" the copies as they would get cached "along the way" elsewhere on the keyspace when you request them.

That property was useful both for improving availability AND censorship resistance: you could not attempt to "locate" where the blocks are without spreading them.

My naive understanding of the new design is that you can have contracts that are replicated... but they still cluster around the same place in the keyspace so any capable active adversary can actively deny access to content trivially. Did I misunderstand something here?

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by sanity »

nextgens wrote: post #284
sanity wrote: post #221

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> Please explain how "the new freenet" tackles censorship resistance. Primarily through the same core mechanism as the original Freenet design: decentralization and relaying requests through multiple peers such that no individual peer sees the entire request path. The new design also supports pluggable anonymity systems such as mixnets and onion routing. In some respects these are stronger than Hyphanet's approach be…

The original freenet design was replicating content as it was requested. You had no way of locating "all" the copies as they would get cached "along the way" elsewhere on the keyspace when you request them. That property was useful both for improving availability AND censorship resistance: you could not attempt to "locate" where the blocks are without spreading them. My naive understanding of the new design is that y…

The two systems aren't that different in this regard, both replicate data along request paths.

In both systems data will tend to cluster on peers close to the data's location because otherwise requests couldn't find it.

The main difference is that in the new Freenet the content can be updated, with updates propagating through peers hosting the content.

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Post by sanity »

trinsic2 wrote: post #146
sanity wrote: post #70

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Yes in the sense that users pool resources for the network, but no in the sense that Napster relied on a centralized database of content - whereas Freenet is entirely decentralized. Also Freenet is much more general, you could think of Napster like a shared hard drive, whereas Freenet is like a shared computer capable of running decentralized applications like group chat, social networks, search engines, etc.

Is there any reason why a system like this can't be distributed like bittorrent? It just seems like decentralization is used to censor content at the node.

I'm not sure what you mean, Freenet is at least as decentralized as bittorrent.

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Post by evilos »

sanity wrote: post #279
evilos wrote: post #270

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It's not the phrase that's the issue, but you knew that.

What is the issue? Please be specific.

No one can even agree on what woke even means. "Woke mind virus" 99% of the time is uttered by extremely unserious and contrarian people. It's a fantastic signal that screams "Ignore me, I'm not worth the trouble."

So the issue is that you're insufficiently socialized to understand this or don't care, both of which are very poor signs for someone who wants to lead a long lived organization which stewards a open global platform. IMO your behavior in this thread is very strong evidence that any org you lead is unlikely to thrive. You seem to lack the disposition and people skills.

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Post by sanity »

evilos wrote: post #287
sanity wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the issue? Please be specific.

No one can even agree on what woke even means. "Woke mind virus" 99% of the time is uttered by extremely unserious and contrarian people. It's a fantastic signal that screams "Ignore me, I'm not worth the trouble." So the issue is that you're insufficiently socialized to understand this or don't care, both of which are very poor signs for someone who wants to lead a long lived organization which stewards a open globa…

"Woke" refers to Critical Social Justice ideology, hope that helps.

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Post by FergusArgyll »

kstrauser wrote: post #76
qcl820DV34 wrote: post #22

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> and after over a year of debate There was no "year of debate". You came to the mailing list and announced it for the first time as a finalized decision already, without any prior debate with the original team. The "board" you cited as the body which allegedly discussed it did neither join the mailing list discussion, nor were you willing to hand out their contact info. It's all public for anyone to see on the maili…

WTF. These are some of the first things I clicked through on that page: - https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg5534... - https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg5534... Gee, I can't imagine how that mailing list could ever be toxic.

So that's what this is about! I wish instead of dancing around the issues and coming up with reasons to hate the project, ppl would just say "I don't like his politics" and he can say "I don't like yours either" and then any new readers will instantly get it

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Post by evilos »

sanity wrote: post #288
evilos wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one can even agree on what woke even means. "Woke mind virus" 99% of the time is uttered by extremely unserious and contrarian people. It's a fantastic signal that screams "Ignore me, I'm not worth the trouble." So the issue is that you're insufficiently socialized to understand this or don't care, both of which are very poor signs for someone who wants to lead a long lived organization which stewards a open globa…

"Woke" refers to Critical Social Justice ideology, hope that helps.

That's what it means to you, most users mean "something liberal/progressive I don't like".
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