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Re: Show HN: Pardonned.com – A searchable database of US Pardons

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Post by jfengel »

eszed wrote: post #139
jfengel wrote: post #116

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My (leftist) opinion is that we don't give enough pardons. By the time people get out of prison, their lives are pretty much wrecked. We should have a lot more clemency and compassion. That's what the pardon is for. If that means a ton of literal insurrectionists go free, that's fine with me. We elected someone precisely to do that. It's on the voters if we elected someone who was literally treasonous himself. I hope…

You would probably consider me to your right, but I'm right there with you. Prison should be protective: we lock up people from whom the rest of us will not be safe unless they are segregated. Ideally it is also rehabilitatative, and once (if!) prisoners will be safe and productive members of society there is no point to keeping them locked up. If there are other methods short of prison that can render law-breakers h…

(In fact, I may well be nearer to your position than my description implies. I use the term "leftist" because I hate the way the term is applied to anyone who isn't a Republican. My beliefs, in the Clinton/Obama range, are "leftist" only if one is dumb enough to believe what one hears on Fox News.)

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Post by [deleted] »

regular_trash wrote: post #68
vidluther wrote: post #45

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not sure why you think it's intentional. But, created a github issue, and will work on that today/tonight.. yay GLM 5.1 :) https://github.com/vidluther/pardonned/issues/23

Stuff like this is very common. For example, at the start of Trump's second term, the whitehouse history page was changed to make democrat presidents look bad - https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/the-white-h...

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Post by dfxm12 »

Pikamander2 wrote: post #54
gcanyon wrote: post #39

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Ford did real damage that day.

The real embarrassment is how little effort there's been to limit/reform the pardon system since then. Pardons have valid uses, but it's wild that a single person can unilaterally pardon donators, family members, former presidents, etc, without needing so much as a simple majority confirmation vote in the House or Senate. The questionable pardons that we've seen over the last few years (and the Nixon pardon) are just…

Congress has tools at their disposal, like impeachment, to punish a sitting president if they want to.

Not sure if they can void an improper pardon, but it would nice if the threat of impeachment was more meaningful of a deterrent.

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Post by Noumenon72 »

regular_trash wrote: post #68
vidluther wrote: post #45

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not sure why you think it's intentional. But, created a github issue, and will work on that today/tonight.. yay GLM 5.1 :) https://github.com/vidluther/pardonned/issues/23

Stuff like this is very common. For example, at the start of Trump's second term, the whitehouse history page was changed to make democrat presidents look bad - https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/the-white-h...

That link is entirely about the East Wing ballroom expansion. I don't see any criticism of anyone there.

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Post by lateforwork »

dylan604 wrote: post #245
lateforwork wrote: post #85

Are you able to track repeat pardons of the same offender? If not you have a bug. https://pardonned.com/pardon/details/adriana-isabel-camberos... Adriana Camberos was in fact pardoned twice. In 2021, convicted fraudster Adriana Camberos was freed from prison when President Trump commuted her sentence. Rather than taking advantage of that second chance, Ms. Camberos returned to crime. She was convicted again in 2024 i…

Commutation and Pardon are not the same thing though. If she was commuted the first time, she couldn't have been "pardoned again" as you state. Commutation is ending any punishment for a conviction, but the conviction stands. A pardon wipes out the conviction.

That's a difference without a distinction. In both cases Trump let her out of jail.

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Post by smrq »

Noumenon72 wrote: post #284
regular_trash wrote: post #68

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Stuff like this is very common. For example, at the start of Trump's second term, the whitehouse history page was changed to make democrat presidents look bad - https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/the-white-h...

That link is entirely about the East Wing ballroom expansion. I don't see any criticism of anyone there.

Swipe through the "Major Events Timeline". It would be funny if it wasn't so sad how petty it is.

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Post by zuminator »

senderista wrote: post #230
gbacon wrote: post #212

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The pardon power is one of many explicitly anti-democratic measures in the U.S. constitution, which makes sense because the government that it defines is a federal republic and not a democracy.

The USA is a representative democracy, also known as a republic.

And regardless of whether the US government is a democracy or not, the frequent claim that it is a republic and (therefore) not a democracy is a non sequitur. It's like saying my suitcase is black and therefore not tall; the first has no bearing on the second.

It's just a thought-stopping meme. Thought-stopping because it ends up derailing conversations about policy or governance with dictionary definition arguments. A meme because the eye-rolling implication is that if our country is a republic and not a democracy, then naturally it's Republican and not Democrat(ic).

Furthermore, the fact that there are some anti-democratic elements in the US Constitution doesn't preclude democracy on the whole. Much in the way we consider our economic system to be capitalist despite there being many anti-capitalist components.

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Post by watwut »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #269
Terr_ wrote: post #258

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> Would Kim Jong Un consider giving up his position if he could be pardoned, or at least credibly believe that he could live a life in luxurious exile? The kind of despot that sends assassins against people in exile is unlikely to choose it themselves.

Hense the credible belief. The Russians did manage to step down from violence so it is possible.

May want to check Russian agression for years. They did not stepped down much.

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Post by dylan604 »

lateforwork wrote: post #285
dylan604 wrote: post #245

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Commutation and Pardon are not the same thing though. If she was commuted the first time, she couldn't have been "pardoned again" as you state. Commutation is ending any punishment for a conviction, but the conviction stands. A pardon wipes out the conviction.

That's a difference without a distinction. In both cases Trump let her out of jail.

To an obstinate person maybe, but to the person being commuted with a conviction on their record vs a person that has a clear record it is more than a difference with no distinction
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