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Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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dyauspitr wrote: post #230
raffraffraff wrote: post #178

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If his definition of woke mind virus is "identitarianism", then it's agree that it's fucking awful. But I wouldn't call it "woke mind virus". Identitarianism is a cancer, that has been fed via social media algorithms. We seem to have invented a machine for rewarding all of the wrong incentives. Who would have thought that phenomena like audience capture & polarised thought bubbles would be in the palm of the hand, di…

As your average progressive, I agree that I don’t like identarianism. When you have 8-15 years old putting a lot of effort into defining themselves as a “non binary, trans feminist pansexual” it gutturally feels wrong. These kids should not be wasting their time and energy on asinine pursuits like this at that age over performing well academically and over developing their physical prowess. I preferred the 00s where…

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Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by raffraffraff »

dyauspitr wrote: post #230
raffraffraff wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If his definition of woke mind virus is "identitarianism", then it's agree that it's fucking awful. But I wouldn't call it "woke mind virus". Identitarianism is a cancer, that has been fed via social media algorithms. We seem to have invented a machine for rewarding all of the wrong incentives. Who would have thought that phenomena like audience capture & polarised thought bubbles would be in the palm of the hand, di…

As your average progressive, I agree that I don’t like identarianism. When you have 8-15 years old putting a lot of effort into defining themselves as a “non binary, trans feminist pansexual” it gutturally feels wrong. These kids should not be wasting their time and energy on asinine pursuits like this at that age over performing well academically and over developing their physical prowess. I preferred the 00s where…

Yep. This situation doesn't do the "cancellers" much good either. What they want to do is eliminate the 'evil person' from society. Wipe them from social media. Block them. Even get them fired. Make them disappear.

But here's the problem. This whole phenomenon is most prevalent in western style democracy. You cannot take that person's vote. You can engage with them and try to change their mind (but also be open to having your own mind changed too, otherwise it's a disingenuous enterprise). Or you can eject block and cancel. If anything, that just drives them further from your social/political group. Hence the person who you blocked and cancelled starts to look around at the other "so called evil people" outside the bubble, and realise that many of them might be refugees from pleasantville , just like you. You can only see your former bubble after your pushed or pulled out of it.

Bubbles can suck people in, but they can also push people out into the gravitational pull of other bubbles.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by cess11 »

sanity wrote: post #268
cess11 wrote: post #264

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Fine. Page 6, which is Chapter 2, under the heading Aims, there is a numbered list. What is the second item in this list?

If you have a point to make you should make it.

I'll quote it then:

   2. It should provide anonymity to b oth providers and consumers of informa-
      tion

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by abc123abc123 »

sanity wrote: post #256
abc123abc123 wrote: post #253

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Of course there is. Anyone is completely justified in asking what their politicians do, how their non-profits spend their money, or what ever. The fact that evidence is not provided, if anything, is an indication of potential wrong doing. I also note that you did not actually respond to what I said. This is additional indication of some potential wrong doing.

> The fact that evidence is not provided, if anything, is an indication of potential wrong doing. No, that's not how evidence works. You're starting from the assumption of wrongdoing and then treating the lack of evidence as confirmation of your suspicion. Meanwhile we've spent the last 5 years publicly building a working decentralized platform.

That's exactly how it works. I suspect _you_ of wrong doing in a non-profit. I ask you do release the books, and if this is not done, I take that as proof of wrong doing. If the books are hidden and cannot be published, no one has any business giving you a dime.

And you are still not addressing the question here, which only compounds the suspicions.

I win this argument, and you lose.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by unconed »

angoragoats wrote: post #269
sanity wrote: post #265

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It refers to Critical Social Justice ideology. There are entire books, academic papers, and debates about it from across the political spectrum.

I understand what Critical Social Justice is, and it is not in any way a virus either literally or figuratively. Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I was asking for sources establishing that such a thing as a "woke mind virus" exists. I doubt there are any serious sources which frame critical social justice as such, but once again I'd love to be proven wrong on this. I'm still waiting.

Woke lost, because it infected companies, universities and other organizations. It prompted entitled idiots like cited above to go into projects started by others, assume eminent domain, and attempt to take it over with slander and defamation. Always with the same script, pretending to defend while engaged in an unprovoked and drawn out attack.

See the cases of:

- The Ada Initiative

- DongleGate

- James Damore

- Bret Weinstein and Evergreen state (there's even a documentary by Mike Nayna about this)

Just to name a few.

Hyperventilating over the phrase "woke mind virus" or calling Musk a nazi a few dozen more times will not work.

You're the square, and your favored ideology lost.

We now even have BlueSky serving as the verifiable echo chamber of the idiots, and it's absolutely hilarious how they just can't stop attacking each other over there.

Calling for sources while questioning one of the most visible forms of social activism of the last decade is pure gaslighting btw.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by sanity »

cess11 wrote: post #273
sanity wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have a point to make you should make it.

I'll quote it then: 2. It should provide anonymity to b oth providers and consumers of informa- tion

And? The new Freenet provides a menu of options for anonymity which is strictly better than imposing the same (imperfect) anonymity solution on everyone.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by sanity »

angoragoats wrote: post #269
sanity wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It refers to Critical Social Justice ideology. There are entire books, academic papers, and debates about it from across the political spectrum.

I understand what Critical Social Justice is, and it is not in any way a virus either literally or figuratively. Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I was asking for sources establishing that such a thing as a "woke mind virus" exists. I doubt there are any serious sources which frame critical social justice as such, but once again I'd love to be proven wrong on this. I'm still waiting.

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Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by vitally3643 »

abc123abc123 wrote: post #274
sanity wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact that evidence is not provided, if anything, is an indication of potential wrong doing. No, that's not how evidence works. You're starting from the assumption of wrongdoing and then treating the lack of evidence as confirmation of your suspicion. Meanwhile we've spent the last 5 years publicly building a working decentralized platform.

That's exactly how it works. I suspect _you_ of wrong doing in a non-profit. I ask you do release the books, and if this is not done, I take that as proof of wrong doing. If the books are hidden and cannot be published, no one has any business giving you a dime. And you are still not addressing the question here, which only compounds the suspicions. I win this argument, and you lose.

I think you steal money from local orphanages and stomp kittens in your free time. Release your bank account and provide bodycam footage or you will confirm your guilt.

I win this argument and you lose.

Re: Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

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Post by sanity »

abc123abc123 wrote: post #274
sanity wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact that evidence is not provided, if anything, is an indication of potential wrong doing. No, that's not how evidence works. You're starting from the assumption of wrongdoing and then treating the lack of evidence as confirmation of your suspicion. Meanwhile we've spent the last 5 years publicly building a working decentralized platform.

That's exactly how it works. I suspect _you_ of wrong doing in a non-profit. I ask you do release the books, and if this is not done, I take that as proof of wrong doing. If the books are hidden and cannot be published, no one has any business giving you a dime. And you are still not addressing the question here, which only compounds the suspicions. I win this argument, and you lose.

> I win this argument, and you lose.

lol

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