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Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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So the analogy doesn't hold up because computer does it more efficiently?

That can be a valid reason to reject an analogy. For example, many people who would accept regular police patrols are not fine with the police installing a tireless ALPR scanner.

Well, in police scanner example, problem people have with it is not its efficacy, but rather other surrounding concerns (like privacy).

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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A fun experiment but LLM generated stories will never escape the uncanny valley, because they're not novel, they're remixes. I know the critique of that position is "but humans just remix the things they know from the world" but that is the same misunderstanding that those who thought truck driving jobs would be automated by 2018 made about that profession. i.e. The less you know about a field, the more likely you ar…

> Voice is special because of the uniqueness of the human life behind it This IMO is a handwavy criticism of AI-generated content by people judging content who have the foreknowledge that the content was AI-generated. To put it another way, pretend it was a year (or more) ago and ChatGPT/Stable Diffusion were ~unknown. You stumble across this kids book. Be completely honest here: would your reaction be "there's no wa…

I suspect with AI we always will be in "this story (song, picture) is Ok" and never "is great" category. I recall the member of ABBA was asked whether they ever felt the song would be a hit. She (this was definitely either Agnetha or Anni-Frid) said that never except for "Dancing Queen". So the AI will be able to mimic ABBA-style, but it would struggle to create something like this song.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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Well it’s a kids book. So I’m not sure it should be heavy on metaphors. It’s really not great though. On the last page the hedgehog becomes huge. And it makes no sense. Why was there too much butter? Why was some random girl in the house. How does butter make bread disappear? Why is one character a hedgehog and the other a human girl?

I'm of the opinion that all kids books should be heavy on metaphor and allegory and all of the other important and joyful aspects of language. Restricting children to books that have been "written at their level" or "made easy to read" is doing them a disservice. It's no wonder so many people grow up to be seldom readers if their first exposure to reading is saccharin pablum that presents no challenge, no meaning, no…

You sound like you’ve never read a book to a small child or tried to get a new reader interested in a book long enough to finish the book.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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post #266

A fun experiment but LLM generated stories will never escape the uncanny valley, because they're not novel, they're remixes. I know the critique of that position is "but humans just remix the things they know from the world" but that is the same misunderstanding that those who thought truck driving jobs would be automated by 2018 made about that profession. i.e. The less you know about a field, the more likely you ar…

> Voice is special because of the uniqueness of the human life behind it This IMO is a handwavy criticism of AI-generated content by people judging content who have the foreknowledge that the content was AI-generated. To put it another way, pretend it was a year (or more) ago and ChatGPT/Stable Diffusion were ~unknown. You stumble across this kids book. Be completely honest here: would your reaction be "there's no wa…

I clicked on the link agreeing with you and came back disagreeing. Maybe I wouldn't have thought "an LLM made this", but the story is disjointed in a way that makes no sense for a children's book. The structure is all wrong.

-> Hedgehog making bread -> Loves making bread -> One day bread stolen -> Butter everywhere -> Hedgehog sets out to find culprit -> Finds culprit -> Opens butter themed amusement park with culprit -> The End

There is no overlapping theme or logic to the story. Children's book will have some form of gimmick and stick to it (young humans aren't all that bright) so you can have a baker hedgehog that encounters adversity (bread is gone) and maybe tie it in with a human culprit (bread thief, didn't say please or something), but the butter amusement park is out of place and uncanny.

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My 9-year old wrote and published a book with dalle-2 and openai playground. Chatgpt was not a thing then. It is quite interesting and powerful to see how these AI complement child's unbounded imagination. I would have to say, childrens imagination has more entrop/perplexity than the AI would come up - At the end GPT was merely putting correct grammar and adding the bulk to the story. Children's imagination is the mo…

> Children's imagination is the undocumented, unexplored frontier of human imagination.

Hard disagree. But I won’t repeat Boulet’s points, I’ll just link to the comic¹. The alt text in the images expands further.

¹ https://english.bouletcorp.com/2007/12/11/fuck-peter-pan/

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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post #274
post #266

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> Voice is special because of the uniqueness of the human life behind it This IMO is a handwavy criticism of AI-generated content by people judging content who have the foreknowledge that the content was AI-generated. To put it another way, pretend it was a year (or more) ago and ChatGPT/Stable Diffusion were ~unknown. You stumble across this kids book. Be completely honest here: would your reaction be "there's no wa…

I clicked on the link agreeing with you and came back disagreeing. Maybe I wouldn't have thought "an LLM made this", but the story is disjointed in a way that makes no sense for a children's book. The structure is all wrong. -> Hedgehog making bread -> Loves making bread -> One day bread stolen -> Butter everywhere -> Hedgehog sets out to find culprit -> Finds culprit -> Opens butter themed amusement park with culpri…

Please do this analysis on other children's books, I think you will find something similar. These aren't masterpieces of storytelling...

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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post #266

A fun experiment but LLM generated stories will never escape the uncanny valley, because they're not novel, they're remixes. I know the critique of that position is "but humans just remix the things they know from the world" but that is the same misunderstanding that those who thought truck driving jobs would be automated by 2018 made about that profession. i.e. The less you know about a field, the more likely you ar…

> Voice is special because of the uniqueness of the human life behind it This IMO is a handwavy criticism of AI-generated content by people judging content who have the foreknowledge that the content was AI-generated. To put it another way, pretend it was a year (or more) ago and ChatGPT/Stable Diffusion were ~unknown. You stumble across this kids book. Be completely honest here: would your reaction be "there's no wa…

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Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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If anyone's interested in the process for doing something like this, I wrote about generating children's books at the end of last year.

The most interesting part was using ChatGPT to target and tweak certain parts of the story and merge them back in. When trying to make edits to a very small part of the story it understood what I wanted extremely well.

The most frustrating part was trying to get a consistent character in Midjourney. I tried using identical seeds and parameters. I even used a base image of the character to try and influence it. Nothing worked that well. My solution was to come up with scenes that obscured the main character's face—the ones with him peaking out from under the covers or walking down the street.

https://solomon.io/childrens-story-written-illustrated-ai/

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I clicked on the link agreeing with you and came back disagreeing. Maybe I wouldn't have thought "an LLM made this", but the story is disjointed in a way that makes no sense for a children's book. The structure is all wrong. -> Hedgehog making bread -> Loves making bread -> One day bread stolen -> Butter everywhere -> Hedgehog sets out to find culprit -> Finds culprit -> Opens butter themed amusement park with culpri…

Please do this analysis on other children's books, I think you will find something similar. These aren't masterpieces of storytelling...

It's not an expectation that a book will be a masterpiece of storytelling. Take the very hungry caterpillar, it has the simplest premise:

-> Caterpillar eats food -> Caterpillar eats more food -> Caterpillar eats even more food -> Caterpillar gets sick -> Caterpillar eats less food -> Butterfly.

The succession of events have a thread that join them together. I'm pretty sure ChatGPT could write it as well if you give it the above summary, but the hedgehog story doesn't have that and feel uncanny because of it.

Re: Show HN: I “wrote” a kid's book with ChatGPT and Midjourney

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post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Voice is special because of the uniqueness of the human life behind it This IMO is a handwavy criticism of AI-generated content by people judging content who have the foreknowledge that the content was AI-generated. To put it another way, pretend it was a year (or more) ago and ChatGPT/Stable Diffusion were ~unknown. You stumble across this kids book. Be completely honest here: would your reaction be "there's no wa…

I suspect with AI we always will be in "this story (song, picture) is Ok" and never "is great" category. I recall the member of ABBA was asked whether they ever felt the song would be a hit. She (this was definitely either Agnetha or Anni-Frid) said that never except for "Dancing Queen". So the AI will be able to mimic ABBA-style, but it would struggle to create something like this song.

Hm, really? I would have thought “the winner takes it all” had No1 hit all over it and I am not an ABBA fan.
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