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Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

#261

At this point, why not just wait for Apple to release their RCS implementation? The nicest thing about iMessage (for me, at least) has always been that it was a significant improvement to SMS that just worked, with graceful fallback to SMS for anyone who didn't use it. No installing third party apps, wondering if someone new I wanted to contact would be on that messaging app, etc. A nice bonus, but not something that…

It's not weird. It might be weird in your eyes, but given how much exclusionary behaviour I've seen based on bubble colour, it's not weird in the slightest. I'd like to believe that apple supporting RCS will magically fix the whole 'green bubble/blue bubble' thing but I'm bearish as it seems to be more a cult thing than anything to do with functionality (I say this as an iMessage user). And please, spare me the trite…

> And please, spare me the trite 'get new friends' comment.

Wow, okay then.

Anyway, I'd argue that the bubble color serves a useful purpose. At this point I definitely want to know whether someone I'm talking to is SMS or iMessage, because there's a meaningful difference in capability that will affect choices I make (like how to get pictures or video to them). Whether it's colored bubbles or something else, it's going to exist in some form.

I'd be bearish too if that were an important thing to fix, because it's human nature that's the problem, not the technology. The solution is a universal messaging technology that is as good as iMessage and has the broad reach of SMS. Perhaps if Google can get their proprietary extension of RCS standardized and implemented by the carriers directly.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

#262

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That's my main concern as well. I don't want to strengthen such a closed ecosystem by building their network. (That and desktop support is a must for me)

Beeper desktop supports iMessage too, I'm using it right now.

Do you have an invite - I'm on beeper mini but on the waitlist for the desktop!

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

#263

At this point, why not just wait for Apple to release their RCS implementation? The nicest thing about iMessage (for me, at least) has always been that it was a significant improvement to SMS that just worked, with graceful fallback to SMS for anyone who didn't use it. No installing third party apps, wondering if someone new I wanted to contact would be on that messaging app, etc. A nice bonus, but not something that…

If what you care about is the color of your bubbles, then that won't make a difference. Green bubbles don't mean "second-class citizen" or "doesn't support proper group chats"; they mean "SMS" (or possibly "not iMessage"; that's not yet clear). It's extremely unlikely Apple will make RCS bubbles blue—even if they don't make them green (and keep that reserved specifically for SMS), they'll make them some other color.…

> It's not a way to make sure you can identify the outgroup and shun them; it's a meaningful signal of what technology other people you're chatting with are using, which tells you useful information about their capabilities.

That seems like a false dichotomy to me as those are not mutually exclusive, and indeed can (and are) both easily accomplished with the current system.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

#264

Whenever this issue of iMessage crops up on HN, I’ve come to expect the usual points from both sides. However, the one thing that’s never addressed is the “why” of it all. For a group that ostensibly values openness and interoperability, why spend so much effort and energy to climb into a walled garden?

To pry a closed system open and force it to interoperate. Climbing into a walled garden and breaking down one of the walls.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

#265

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We're talking about a company that changes CPU architectures for their ecosystem every few years, completely seamlessly. If redesigning their entire authentication and delivery strategy is what it will take to mitigate this problem, Apple will do it.

What problem? Increased compatibility?

From Apple's perspective, yes. Social pressure to buy Apple devices to use Apple's messaging app is part of Apple's marketing strategy.

Apple also claims that blocking devices by serial number or similar unique hardware identifiers is a key part of its anti-spam strategy. If true, an end-run around that will likely create problems for users as well.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

#266

Whenever this issue of iMessage crops up on HN, I’ve come to expect the usual points from both sides. However, the one thing that’s never addressed is the “why” of it all. For a group that ostensibly values openness and interoperability, why spend so much effort and energy to climb into a walled garden?

Because half our friends/family/etc own an iPhone and they either use iMessage or WhatsApp, and neither is acceptable for the likes of me. And since they don't 'stoop' to the level of Signal, we can 'stoop' to the level of iMessage (but definitely not WhatsApp).

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

#267
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> a few years ago there was no way to unlink iMessage Deregistration[1] has been supported since November 2014. [1]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203042

Maybe that would be obvious to the average Apple user, but as a non-Apple user, it would never occur to me that I'd have to explicitly de-register my phone number with Apple after activating a new phone.

That seems okay? It's only applicable to the Apple user to begin with.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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post #155

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I see your point, but please steer clear of personal attacks - you can make your substantive points without that.

sorry, it wasn't meant to be a personal attack. I'll edit it so that it reads less hostile.

Appreciated!

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

#270

Side note, i'd love if Beeper could impl some "standard" open APIs to brute force us in a new unified direction. I feel like the chat ecosystem is in the days of pre-LSP editors. Anytime i wanted to try a new fancy term based editor, i'd lose out of very basic features like code completion, jumping, etc. Since LSP came around, i can basically jump to any editor because everyone has this baked in now, and it works wit…

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