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Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by ddoolin »

warent wrote: post #226
jnovek wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also: security? I expect my terminal to be a much more secure environment than my web browser. When an application starts communicating with the internet, I have no choice but to treat it with the same level of scrutiny as my browser. Even making telemetry opt-in means that it has the capability to send information to the internet that I don’t know about, which means that I have to treat it like an application that c…

Agree, this is a pretty bad deal breaker for me. Big business people doing short-sighted big business things, salivating at cramming a product full of telemetry. All without transparency around it? In a terminal of all things?? Indescribably off-putting and catastrophically damages my trust in the product and the CEO. EDIT: To be fair there is some transparency in the original post. I was looking through the landing…

This is why I deleted Fig (https://fig.io/) right after installing it. It must've sent some uninstall information, too, because the creator/CEO emailed asking why I uninstalled it afterwards...

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by steveklabnik »

colonwqbang wrote: post #223
steveklabnik wrote: post #165

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(Not affiliated with Warp but care about this particular thing) Shell scripts implies, well, a particular shell. If everyone is on similar OSes, maybe that works for you, but as a Windows user, "pile of bash scripts" might as well be "doesn't work for you." I use a terminal for my daily work, but don't have bash installed on my machine. That said, I haven't tried Warp yet specifically because it's Mac-only right now.…

Why would it be easier to port Warp to a new system compared to Bash, Python, Perl, etc.? These tools are widely used to automate workflows and are already ported to any system you would probably care to develop on.

You aren't the one porting Warp, but you are the one porting the shell script.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by hbn »

ushakov wrote: post #146
hbn wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want it to behave like every other text input field on my Mac. So I can do option+left/right to jump words, Cmd+left/right to jump to beginning/end of a line, shift + move cursor to highlight text, Cmd+A to select all, option + forward delete to delete the whole word in front of my cursor, etc

what’s wrong with the standard terminal then?

It does none of the things I mentioned

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by broknbottle »

andrewzah wrote: post #136

A company receiving receiving $23 million usd to build a terminal is about the dumbest thing I've seen this month. I would've figured it to be a April Fools joke if posted a few days earlier. Why is a company building a terminal? How are they going to earn money at all when there are other fast, performant terminals that are open source, community run, and don't have interests at-odds with user freedom and privacy? I…

Monetization via Ads in the terminal. By monitoring your input and determining periods where you're not as productive. The possibilities are endless, imagine getting a pop-up notification right in your terminal for a local coffee shop with a great coffee selection or a local pizzeria with 5 star pizza to give you that boost to keep on coding through the night.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by wildmanx »

michlim wrote: post #144
buro9 wrote: post #44

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I'm not sure I'm ready to have SaaS models replace core utilities and tools locally. > Announcing Warp’s Series A: $17M to build a better terminal And just thinking about this... it's not clear to me what their moat will be as I suspect if there's a really compelling feature it will be available in OSS terminals quite quickly. Perhaps it's the product polish? But I'm not sure polish is what I want from a terminal, at…

Warp engineer here. FWIW, the Warp terminal will be free for individuals. We would never charge for anything a terminal currently does. So no paywalls around SSH or anything like that. The types of features we could eventually charge for are team features. Our bet is that the moat is going to be the team features, like: - Sharing hard-to-remember workflows - Wikis and READMEs that run directly in the terminal - Sessi…

> The types of features we could eventually charge for are team features.

You can probably maximize community acceptance if you provide clients that do not use these features as actual FOSS and only start incorporating closed-source pieces for those features. With things like client keys etc to restrict server access.

A bit like the Chrome/Chromium thing was intended initially.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by firstSpeaker »

I pay for apps that I use once a months or once every other month, why not for something that I will use everyday for long hours. However:

- Collecting telemetry - Requiring sign up (and associating telemetry wit it)

Are flags for me.

If you want to collect feedback fast and easy, the best would have been letting it be taken for a spin by folks in HN and and you could have probably benefitted from a good deal of input on improvement or bug-hunting.

A terminal with a dedicated well funded company, I welcome and can pay for such terminal. But collecting too much data these days is at least frowned upon by almost everyone.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by wildmanx »

websap wrote: post #227
chimen wrote: post #185

The terminal is where I input my ssh passwords, my sudo passwords, crypto stuff, ssh keys and much more sensitive data. The fact that you even considered collecting stuff from me while using it is insane. I don't trust your promise to never "sell my data" and I don't trust that the next one which will buy your company when you decide to "exit" will do the same (I will when it's fully open source but that's not the ca…

VSCode collects stats and that's where all the proprietary code of your company is. As long as there is a kill switch, I feel this community is focusing too much on this.

Have you missed the data breaches left and right in recent ... years?

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by digisign »

Klonoar wrote: post #220
qbasic_forever wrote: post #170

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Do you use Windows? Have you ever opened its terminal? Congrats, you're using a terminal that you agreed can phone home with telemtry. See https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/windows-terminal/9n0dx20hk... and the link to the privacy policy for windows terminal http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=521839 I suspect OSX is no different and has similar telemetry and privacy policy for its terminal.

In an (absurd-ish) defense of macOS, I don't believe anyone really uses the built-in Terminal and grabs an alternative (often iTerm2). There's also the rumor that Terminal in macOS has had a handful of developers working on it, at best, over the years. I would bet money that Apple doesn't care enough about it to bother with telemetry and/or privacy policies for it.

Yes, they never substantially upgraded it once it hit 1.0 about two decades ago.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by michaelmrose »

websap wrote: post #227
chimen wrote: post #185

The terminal is where I input my ssh passwords, my sudo passwords, crypto stuff, ssh keys and much more sensitive data. The fact that you even considered collecting stuff from me while using it is insane. I don't trust your promise to never "sell my data" and I don't trust that the next one which will buy your company when you decide to "exit" will do the same (I will when it's fully open source but that's not the ca…

VSCode collects stats and that's where all the proprietary code of your company is. As long as there is a kill switch, I feel this community is focusing too much on this.

If its 1970 and everyone smokes and leaded gas was everywhere in the US this doesn't imply that taking up smoking or leaded gas is a reasonable choice it implies rather that people are on average stupid and you should evaluate something other than whether a choice is popular.
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