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Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by swores »

toast0 wrote: post #148
ethagnawl wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me: I've noticed that Starbucks now requires a few pieces of information to use their WiFi network. One is email and they are doing some sort of validation which will reject emails like whoopsileanedonxxxxxxxx@aol.com but will accept other, legit AOL emails. How are they deciding what is/not a valid email? Are they using a compiled list of emails that have been seen in the wild? What if it's a brand new…

> why not use a basic regex on the FE and an OTP which gets sent to the provided address? I can't prove I control an email in order to use your wifi, if I can't use your wifi.

Some wifi networks give you a limited number of minutes online during which you need to click a verification link they've emailed you in order to not get cut off.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by AlecSchueler »

pjc50 wrote: post #188
qualeed wrote: post #3

I like the spirit but wouldn't this run afoul of one or two laws? Identity fraud or some such? I'm not in the UK, so I don't have any idea about their laws, but I'd be shocked to find this was above board. Your FAQ claims it's a parody site and claims " The ID number isn't valid and you can't use the card for anything real. " but you've just confirmed here it can indeed be used for real things (discord, reddit). Your…

What does the online safety act actually say about this? It's only supposed to be age verification, and if you are actually old enough does it matter how you proved it? Many of the age verification services explicitly promise not to retain photos!

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2023/50/part/4/chapter/...

It talks explicitly about verifying your identity, not your age, so no loopholes today I'm afraid

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by AlecSchueler »

qualeed wrote: post #30
nemomarx wrote: post #29

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If you can fool discords implementation with a video game character they can't actually be checking very well?

I certainly agree! However, I doubt that's a strong legal argument.

True but the wording of the act actually places the onus on the service provider to verify the identities, not on the user to give them. It would be Discord in this case having to make the legal defence.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by AlecSchueler »

jrockway wrote: post #118
Aeolun wrote: post #106

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Hmm, yeah. It’s almost as if they deliberately made them look less like the real ID’s, because I have little doubt that openai would be perfectly capable of generating that image.

Another thing to think about is that this is just passthrough from an AI model. If it's illegal to make a website that spits out fake IDs, then OpenAI is illegal until they filter them.

Things like intent matter. You can go into your local library and photocopy an ID but it doesn't make the library culpable for providing fake IDs.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by ta1243 »

tempay wrote: post #44
dom96 wrote: post #39

Are the generated images supposed to look like the MP? they look nothing like it as far as I can see.

I think so, Keir Starmer and several others show plausible faces. On the otherhand Ashfield (NG178DA) fails spectacularly.

> On the otherhand Ashfield (NG178DA) fails spectacularly.

Like its MP

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by ta1243 »

Your MP

    Name: Mike Wood
    Party: Conservative
    Constituency: Stafford
Err, Stafford has been Labour since the last election, and before that it was a Conservative, but it was Theodora Clarke. Mike Wood is MP for Kingswinford and South Staffordshire.

Surely the way you build something like this is a postcode -> constituency table (I assume available free), a constituency -> mp table, and mp -> image generation (with caching or generate multiple versions)

Even if the lookup data mis-selected the constituency (I think some postcodes can straddle constituencies), surely the Constituency/Name/Party would be consistent.

I'm guessing you're using chat-gpt for the entire program?

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by rsynnott »

arrowsmith wrote: post #86
mlinhares wrote: post #82

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That happens all over the place, conservatives pass a time bomb bill, they lose control of congress/house, time bomb is about to become effective, they now fight to overturn it and place the blame on the current ruling folks.

Except this bill was first introduced in March 2022, when the Tories hadn't imploded and there was no strong reason to expect they'd lose the next election. It wasn't a "time bomb". They introduced this legislation because they wanted it.

Eh, I mean, the polls were looking fairly dire for them by that point.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by brk »

ethagnawl wrote: post #232
codedokode wrote: post #169

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They can connect to a mail server and pretend that they are going to send a message and the server would reject the invalid recipient email.

I had no idea this was possible. This sounds almost like an HTTP OPTION request. I'd love to find an example of client code which does this.

You're looking for the SMTP VRFY and EXPN commands. However implementation is very hit-or-miss. In the good ole' days of the internet, VRFY was widely implemented. Then spammers realized they could connect to a mailserver and do a form of a VRFY dictionary attack to find valid addresses, so it stopped being supported.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by arrowsmith »

teamonkey wrote: post #220
arrowsmith wrote: post #158

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Wtf are you talking about? The Conservatives promised to reduce immigration in 2019. Instead they increased it to its highest ever levels by far, hence why they got thrown out of office. Have you ever met or spoken to a Conservative voter in your entire life?

There were also the matters of Johnson throwing a Covid party, Truss tanking the economy within a few weeks of taking office, and Sunak being useless and generally taking the hit for a flacid economy.

All of those are true but I promise you that the median conservative voter can forgive all of those far sooner than they’ll forgive the Boriswave.
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