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Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by spiderice » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 7:23 PM UTC

stormbrew wrote: post #205

orastor wrote: post #20

Wanted to give it a shot but got disappointed when I launched it and the following happened: - Outgoing request to googleapis.com - Outgoing request to segment.io - Outgoing request to sentry.io - Requires sign up (only via Github, mind you) I understand the first request is probably to get some dynamic configuration, even though I'd rather my terminal ship with static configuration. But then you have segment and sen…

It's just.. an incredibly bad look to have this be the top comment on a post about this while the website claims that "cloud stuff" is opt-in. It's more essential to be honest about this during the beta period than after, so "oh it will be opt in" is a cold comfort, alongside the approximately never-true "we'll open source it some day." Not touching this with a ten foot pole. Not for something as essential to my day…

Further down in the thread, they claim that Warp is nearly as fast as Alacritty. Then a user points out that it isn't even close and their response is basically, yeah, we know that. We want to fix it.

How does a company expect lying on HN to work out well for them? I'm sure they're doing their best, and are excited about their launch. But they are coming off as so shady because they're trying to fool people.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by etaioinshrdlu » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 7:23 PM UTC

For completions, I would recommend becoming compatible with https://fig.io/ ; perhaps investigating a partnership or even merger with them.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by sitkack » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 7:25 PM UTC

nicoburns wrote: post #139

buro9 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I'm ready to have SaaS models replace core utilities and tools locally. > Announcing Warp’s Series A: $17M to build a better terminal And just thinking about this... it's not clear to me what their moat will be as I suspect if there's a really compelling feature it will be available in OSS terminals quite quickly. Perhaps it's the product polish? But I'm not sure polish is what I want from a terminal, at…

I doubt their compelling features will be in OSS terminals any time soon. I’ve wanted a terminal that has a decent multi line editor for years , and there’s nothing out there.

Terminals are largely owned by graybeard maintainers that aren’t interested in innovating the Unix command line. This is not a difficult change.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by wildmanx » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 7:25 PM UTC

"[we want a restrictive license that] prevents another company from starting a commercial enterprise off of it"

versus

"our terminal model code is based on Alacritty’s model code."

Well done. Sorry guys, that's where you lost me.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by wildmanx » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 7:29 PM UTC

orastor wrote: post #20

Wanted to give it a shot but got disappointed when I launched it and the following happened: - Outgoing request to googleapis.com - Outgoing request to segment.io - Outgoing request to sentry.io - Requires sign up (only via Github, mind you) I understand the first request is probably to get some dynamic configuration, even though I'd rather my terminal ship with static configuration. But then you have segment and sen…

> I really wanted to like it, too. The screenshots look great

Agreed! Let's just wait for a FOSS alternative to pop up that has a few similar fundamental features. Don't need the cloud-multi-user-account-based stuff.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by michaelmrose » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 7:31 PM UTC

jacobsimon wrote: post #51

orastor wrote: post #20

Wanted to give it a shot but got disappointed when I launched it and the following happened: - Outgoing request to googleapis.com - Outgoing request to segment.io - Outgoing request to sentry.io - Requires sign up (only via Github, mind you) I understand the first request is probably to get some dynamic configuration, even though I'd rather my terminal ship with static configuration. But then you have segment and sen…

Come on. You must realize VS Code and basically every website you use collects telemetry data, which is rarely for anything nefarious except product improvements. If GitHub/Microsoft had released this product, would you be raising the same concerns?

A remote system by definition has access to the information you give them and you should manage that carefully. Meanwhile your filesystem has access to your entire life, heart, and mind unvarnished, edited, and unsegregated with ephemera alongside the deep facts of your mind.

Microsoft is a criminal enterprise that relatively recently got god to a degree and actually started caring about their image at home while still facilitating crime and corruption abroad. The fact that many are stupid enough to trust them with their data does not imply that this is a reasonable choice.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by michaelmrose » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 7:32 PM UTC

robertlagrant wrote: post #224

exdsq wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not but I'd trust Microsoft has a decent security and privacy team working on this more than a startup. What if they're logging the wrong stuff and my data is leaked?

Good point - Microsoft products practically created the modern security industry. They're experts.

Did you mean that old school Microsoft was so badly insecure that they created a massive opportunity for security professionals.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by mzs » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 7:33 PM UTC

michlim wrote: post #207

bastardoperator wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This type of canned response doesn't sit well with me. Keep us posted when you're out of beta and those things are removed, do you have a timeline for that?

We potentially could remove the telemetry sooner, before the general availability. There is no set timeline yet, but we will announce it when we do!

You really should take people's advice in beta. Get rid of telemetry before tomorrow. If you don't this terminal will likely fail. It might be too late already.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by digisign » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 7:33 PM UTC

((Record scratch sound))

Looks really neat. But there's a dissonance between the positioning here vs. the audience it is intended for. The community of folks interested in using a terminal is largely one of grizzled veterans that significantly overlap with security (conscious) folks.

Overlap with Instagram influencers living their best life in public is approximately nil. :)

I suppose there are newbie developers that don't know better, but are already using vscode and use the built-in term if they even bother. I could see cloud features and telemetry being useful however as an opt-in separate install.

So, I'd dial back the idea that "modern" means giving in to the surveillance dystopia.

Bonus points if you get it running under OS/2.

Also, was just reading about how Flynn couldn't get funded, that made me a bit sad.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by ushakov » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 7:33 PM UTC

warent wrote: post #226

jnovek wrote: post #99

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Also: security? I expect my terminal to be a much more secure environment than my web browser. When an application starts communicating with the internet, I have no choice but to treat it with the same level of scrutiny as my browser. Even making telemetry opt-in means that it has the capability to send information to the internet that I don’t know about, which means that I have to treat it like an application that c…

Agree, this is a pretty bad deal breaker for me. Big business people doing short-sighted big business things, salivating at cramming a product full of telemetry. All without transparency around it? In a terminal of all things?? Indescribably off-putting and catastrophically damages my trust in the product and the CEO. EDIT: To be fair there is some transparency in the original post. I was looking through the landing…

or

they actually listen to our feedback, remove forced telemetry, remove sign-in in the next release, then i'd be more happy to give their product another chance

although no guarantee they'll not turn evil at some point in the future...