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Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

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It is utterly bizarre that you portray consumers as irrational for not wanting subs and businesses as rational for wanting subs. Both are rational in their own interests: businesses want subs because it means more money and more control in the long run. Consumers don't want subs because it means paying more money in the long run and eventually having their software taken away from them if the company goes under, make…

I wasn't trying to trash-talk consumers, but I was trying to be as clear as possible on how consumers behave to give good business advice. A lot of consumer spending comes from motivation. Purchase intents come in burts, an "alright I'm gonna commit, I'm gonna do this" moment. As a consumer app developer, you really need to understand that. Some of your users might use your annual sub for five years, some only for on…

If your average lifetime is 2.5 years

For a tool people come to depend on for their daily computing needs, this is wildly pessimistic. Look how many people use Unix shell tools on a daily basis. Some of that stuff is 60 years old! Imagine paying a subscription for 60 years to use bash.

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

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Please don't overindex on this comment OP, $10 a year is completely reasonable and the status quo they describe has killed so much software for so little benefit It's a subscription with extra steps and worse retention.

I didn't downvote, but just to be clear - I'm not saying $10 for lifetime updates. Lifetime updates are a terrible idea and, yes, that does kill off software. $10 is too low for a one-off purchase as well, I'm not saying to lowball the price. $29 for a small utility could be reasonable, and that gives you some room to offer discount pricing / sales if you want. As for major version upgrades, I'd be imagining a typica…

There could be 4x buyers at $10. I’d be one of the now, the dock is a constant annoyance.

The app looks great, downloading the trial now.

To the app’s author I’d say get as many licensees as you can fast before you’re Sherlocked or somebody vibecodes a clone out of “why not”.

I use many free and paid apps, little QoL types, like BetterDisplay, Coctail, etc and for me the included support is of little value. These apps are not mission critical.

There is also Setapp [0], might give you instant access to user base that favors such apps.

[0] - https://setapp.com/

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

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I am trying it but the colors don't seem correct. I cannot read the title of any other tab except currently selected one: https://imgur.com/a/t0BDxuC PS: How to contact developer? I cannot find email. Neat idea!

Okay this is most definitely a bug. Have you enabled reduce transparency in macOS settings by any chance?

Yes. I can try turn that off but I really prefer no transparency

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

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When I got a Macbook many years ago, I was surprised how often little utility software like this cost money. I was just so used to the abundance of open source and freeware in the Windows/Linux world. No judgement either way, I get that developers want to be compensated for their time. I just always found the difference in culture curious. I guess it's because if you're willing to spend the extra premium for Apple pr…

> I get that developers want to be compensated for their time. Depends. If you build software for others then of course you should be paid. But if you build sth for youself, to scratch you own itch, isn't that already compensation? Why try to milk that cow to for such a mini tool that just took a few weekends to build? (The author said that.) If everybody had followed that philosophy then the whole OSS ecosystem woul…

The Mac way is much better. Users get high quality software for a fair price, and talented indie developers get compensated for their work and skills.

Meanwhile I guess FOSS communists can continue to enjoy working for free programming crucial net infrastructure for companies like Google, Meta and Microsoft.

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

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First of all, this looks really nice, I mean REALLY nice. It’s obvious you put a lot of thought and work into making the UX work really well. I probably will not use it, I like macOS as it is and have gotten used to it over the past 10+ years. I am probably not the target user though, seems like it could be good for new users transitioning from Windows.

How does this work with the dock in macOS? I mean you only have so many places you can put the dock, certainly not the top because that’s reserved for the mighty blue Apple.

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

#236

> I built boringBar so I would not have to use the Dock Does anybody really use the dock as a an app switcher? MacOS is built around shortcuts, alt-tab, show spaces, etc. The dock is there for starting apps – which you can also do via spotlight, and as a “favorites” list after you remove all the built-ins.

I’ve used it to get me to the desktop where the app is open but yeah, generally you’re right. I use spotlight more often for searching the Mac and opening apps or swiping desktops

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

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Amazing what a bunch of swine the commenters are towards OP here. Always complaining, never creating anything of value themselves. OP: Congratulations on what seems to be a very nice taskbar! I have two suggestions: - I miss the ability to pin folders like on the MacOS Dock. For example for your Downloads folder. - The applications menu should open when the cursor clicks in the corner, not only over the icon. Fitts's…

Thanks. Regarding your suggestions: - I see, I can work on adding folders to the dock, sure. - Fair. I think the clickable area is too small, right? I think I had the same issue as well but I got used to it. Nevertheless I'll push an update to fix this in some time. - I'll experiment with a few toned down versions of the active window chip. Thanks for your feedback!

> I think the clickable area is too small, right?

If you extend the clickable area to the bottom left corner of the screen, it becomes in practice infinitely large.

I just noticed that the same is true for the taskbar application buttons. Their click targets should also be extended to the bottom of the screen for best user experience.

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

#238

When I got a Macbook many years ago, I was surprised how often little utility software like this cost money. I was just so used to the abundance of open source and freeware in the Windows/Linux world. No judgement either way, I get that developers want to be compensated for their time. I just always found the difference in culture curious. I guess it's because if you're willing to spend the extra premium for Apple pr…

> I get that developers want to be compensated for their time. Depends. If you build software for others then of course you should be paid. But if you build sth for youself, to scratch you own itch, isn't that already compensation? Why try to milk that cow to for such a mini tool that just took a few weekends to build? (The author said that.) If everybody had followed that philosophy then the whole OSS ecosystem woul…

There is a lot of work post launch in customer support, fixing security issues, keeping code up to date, and fixing bugs.

Re: Show HN: boringBar – a taskbar-style dock replacement for macOS

#240
Crazy that this popped up right now. I am a lifelong Linux desktop user, primarily on KDE Plasma the past 10 years or so. I'm a Virtual Desktops devotee because I swap back and forth between multiple projects/clients. I recently acquired a Mac and found, as you said, the Dock is "app centric" and that this inherently cripples Spaces / Mission Control.

- Clicking things in the Dock or elsewhere keep taking me off my current Space. There's a setting that supposedly stops this (disable "When switching to an application, switch to a Space with open windows for that application"), but that only affects affirmative clicking in the Dock. If you try to open a file it will still seek out an existing instance of that app and take you to another Space if it finds it there.

- Spaces are named "Desktop 1", "Desktop 2", etc. I need to give them custom names that represent the actual work I do in them.

This is by no means a complete list. My overall impression is that Spaces and their various settings are a bolt-on, with requirements built by committee to resolve the tension between the users who want virtual desktops and the users who want nothing to change.

@OP, here are my suggested improvements based on a morning's worth of use:

1. If you have clicked on the Applications button to raise that menu, clicking on the button again should collapse it. Right now it just re-raises it.

2. Let's say one of my apps is a messaging app like Slack or Signal, and there's a new incoming message. In KDE Plasma or GNOME, the taskbar or docked representation of the app will visually change (as does your chip) but more importantly there's a toast-style an on-screen notification. I'm actually not sure what happens on the Mac by default when you're using the Dock. Regardless, I'm finding I'm missing incoming messages because I'm not scanning boringBar for the visual indicator that a new message has come in.

3. Allow us to give our own names to the Spaces/Desktops.

4. Provide an option for rendering the Space/Desktop switcher as an array of chips so we can switch with one click, rather than the current two clicks (one to raise the pop-up menu, two to choose the desktop). The lack of (3) and (4) has me sticking with "Deskspace" for now, but also because Deskspace parks the desktop switcher in the menu bar, which is similar to how I have it working on KDE Plasma.

5. As another user pointed out, the bar is... dark. Changing on/off Frosted Glass isn't sufficiently changing the visual appearance.

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