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Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

ceejayoz wrote: post #37
coleworld45 wrote: post #31

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I wrote "Obama sucks" and got Dogwhistle, Low Score, Low Effort, Objectionable Phrases, and Negative Tone. I wrote "Trump sucks" and got Low Score, Low Effort, Negative Tone. Definitely a double standard baked in

Double standard, or legitimate difference? Maybe Trump empirically sucks more? (This is the sort of debate I really don't think tooling can fix.)

I mean yeah but it's not up to a comment-tone-fixer-upper to decide that, the ideal is some kind of neutrality for the sake of decorum, and one of the major issues that's causing political divide and (worse) movements towards extremism is that the two sides can't have a reasonable debate.

A tool like this COULD work, but I think the issue with this one is that it's built on top of an existing LLM with heaps of internet debate and their underlying ideals and what is and isn't acceptable baked in.

What a tool like this needs is heaps of honestly / fairly judged comments and feedback, and an extensive test suite that ensures neutrality by, for example, taking the same comment and like in this case changing names around - if it treats both sides the same then it passes.

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by NickHodges0702 »

cookiengineer wrote: post #224
NickHodges0702 wrote: post #194

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We've had people tell us the site is slow. We are looking into it. It seems somewhat hit or miss..... And do you mean the commenting process, or just the site itself?

It seems as the "spotlight effect" causes most of the performance issues. The mousemove event seems to trigger a reflow when you hover some of the sections and/or scroll down. There's also a constantly running CSS animation that uses a lot of CPU time. I have no idea why you're setting the style property of those elements every time you move the mouse, but I suppose that's what the Astro component you're using does.…

Thanks for all this. We'll look into it. Perhaps we tried to be too "cool" by half....

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by NickHodges0702 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #64
NickHodges0702 wrote: post #58

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I appreciate the comments, thanks. Well, we are going to give it a try! Thanks again...

I genuinely wish you luck. It's a worthy goal. (lol, this got "Comment appears to be low effort". Ouch!)

:-)

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by NickHodges0702 »

casey2 wrote: post #162

I followed all it's prescriptions (which of course conflict with each other) and it only made the comment worse in that it went from disrespectful to spam. I managed to get useless/meaningless comments like: I understand why some people enjoy the movie, but it doesn't resonate with me because the themes don't feel engaging or relevant. Past it with 4/5

Thanks for giving it a look.

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by NickHodges0702 »

ilinx wrote: post #195
fnands wrote: post #180

I really like the idea. I sometimes get the idea some people just start raging at the world in general when they get their comments rejected/banned, and start to develop some sort of persecution complex. Will this fix the problem? I am not sure, but I do appreciate the effort.

I believe whoever solves the emotional dysregulation that leads to some persecution complexes will genuinely deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. While I doubt this will solve the problem completely, I do see potential for it to prevent discourse from spiraling quite as badly as it tends to. I predict that a feature like this would probably chase off some undesirable community members, while genuinely helping some people imp…

Thanks for this. This is exactly our viewpoint and what we are trying to do.

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

vivid242 wrote: post #237

I like it! There are, of course, challenges a la https://novehiclesinthepark.com/ – the swamp of subjectivity ("This is about enforcing a political PoV" vs. "This is about enforcing respectful conversation") ahead!

It's an interesting set of questions, and one that I'm not sure I answered properly.

For example I would say that driving a police car or an ambulance into the park does break the "No Vehicles in the Park" rule, but it appears that quite a lot of people don't agree with that.

But it's a vehicle, and it's in the park. It's in the park for a good reason, one well worth breaking rules over and one which could also be applied to maintenance vehicles which actually "live in" the park.

A bicycle is a vehicle too, and you should not ride bicycles in the park if there's a sign saying "No vehicles". People break this all the time, and it's a wonder no-one gets hurt.

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

edgyquant wrote: post #198
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #170

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Cut off those using ad hominems. Fact check. All opinion should be labelled. Only one identity per person. Any associations or biases are public. Do all that then I can't see what's hard about it ;oP. Genuinely though, I think those things are doable. You probably have to have people use their own irl identities (at least the platform needs that information), which is problematic if you want free and open debate.

Fact checking is basically impossible as most things aren’t black and white and open to various interpretations. The idea of fact checkers online has been totally rejected because fact checkers themselves are vulnerable to bias and ideological capture.

Perfect fact checking, sure, but fact checking to the point of "this information comes from here", this person said this in this video, et cetera, is attainable.

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by edgyquant »

ragall wrote: post #216
edgyquant wrote: post #198

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Fact checking is basically impossible as most things aren’t black and white and open to various interpretations. The idea of fact checkers online has been totally rejected because fact checkers themselves are vulnerable to bias and ideological capture.

It might not be possible to check every assertion, but in most cases it's possible.

No in most cases it’s not actually and only a small subset of things humans deal with have black and white true/false answers
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